Hurricanes defying conventional science.

What do you guys make of Hurricane Epsilon? It should have weakened being over cold water. It doesn't fit the models.Local Weather Forecast, News and Conditions | Weather UndergroundSame with the hurricane south of the equator last year. It's not suppossed to occur since the slant of the earth in conjunction with the earth's spin suppossed to rule that out.It all seems inexplicable.

The normal expectations were for it to weaken over colder water, but it did not. May have now, but it didn't fit the models. Likewise the hurricane last year in the south Atlantic did not fit the models either.

Wrong jar. Do you ever bother to do any fact checking. Everyone that follows these storms knows these 2 storms defied the models in a big way.Grow up and start learning before mouthing off stupidity.

Then you either can't read well or are lying.

Epsilon was suppossed to weaken much earlier because it was over cold water, and it was somewhat shocking to see it remain a hurricane for so long over cold water.The hurricane in the south Atlantic likewise defied current models, and they had a very difficult time modelling the hurricane as all the models indicated hurricanes could not form in the south Atlantic.Of course, it is a growing and learning area of science, but these 2 hurricanes were shockers, and they are trying to figure out how to incorporate their behaviour for future models.

Epsilon intensified over 70 degree water. Sorry buddy, but that was absolutely not suppossed to happen and it was reported at the time as defying the models.The storm in the south Atlantic was not suppossed to occur at all, period.

Keep in mind the following deals with the forecast and behaviour in respect to warning people, etc,...So when it reports nothing unusual but, it's in the context that the storm, other than the fact it occured in Dec and strenghened over cold water, was otherwise a normal hurricane. http://www.millenniumweather.com/tropical/discuss.htmlThe discussion is not about the fact it got stronger, but it does show the fact the storm intensified over cold water, something anyone that follows hurricanes knows is not suppossed to happen.But other than that, in terms of the storm acting like a hurricane, it was pretty typical, but the fact it intensified over cold water is inexplicable really.

The storms defied the current models and we cannot yet explain their behaviour in certain areas.This message has been edited by randman, 12-04-2005 11:51 PM

jar, you've got something so far stuck up your butt that you can't think straight. The media and meteorologists were all surprised very much by these 2 storms for the reasons I gave.Admit or deny?No throwing slurs at creationists or people that think aliens are real or whatever else your imagination conjures up.Just admit or deny, please.

I'm not really implying anything. The theories out there have a range from weapons systems testing to just we haven't figured it out yet. I have no ulterior motive. I live very near the ocean and pay a lot of attention to hurricanes, and these past 2 years, there has been some very strange stuff.I could not have believed a hurricane could strengthen over cold water (70 degrees), and the storm in the south Atlantic was odd, as well as the storms continually hitting the oil producing region though I guess that's predicted.

This is the Coffee House, not a science forum thread. If you don't like discussion on hurricanes, don't participate. It's that simple.I don't think meteorologists are that concerned about evolution. So it's not that sort of thread.

Their currently inexplicable, but if you don't like discussing anamolies that could affect a major area of the nation, then don't. Quit stinking up this thread and others with total BS, just blatant denials of facts for no reason.It's a fact that these storms defy what we all thought a hurricane could do, and it's sort of a serious issue depending on where one lives.So if you don't like me or don't like to discuss hurricanes or whatever, then stay the heck off the thread and quit behaving in such an asinine manner, especially to deny a basic fact like these 2 storms broke the models in terms of what we can expect.

Quit acting like a jerk. Clearly, the comment on evolution was that this is a coffee house thread not discussing 2 sides of a debate as you and jar seem to believe in your drivelling manner.It's about hurricanes and the science involved in predicting and understanding hurricanes.What part of that do you not get?

jar, you're so enraged by the evo/creo debate, you can't act like a normal human being and discuss a news story without lying because you are afraid admitting to a basic fact would hurt your side of the debate.News flash, buddy.This is not a debate, nor part of the evo/creo debate. You can admit that these storms behaved in an inexplicable manner not predicted by previous assumptions. It's safe. It's not going to damage your belief system in terms of evolution. So you don't have to freak out, deny reality or anything like that. The OP is not a threat to you or your evo paradigm.Capische?

Look at jar's comment. If I was perceived to be on his side, he would admit to the facts. He has no problem with them, as long as someone is using them not to threaten his belief system.But since I started out in a manner threatening to him, he denies those same basic facts.I don't expect you, arach, to see the delusion in jar's comments, but I suspect some others will. Jar, in a typical evo-mindset, thinks not of facts as independent empirically verified events, but things he should admit to, or deny, based on the person's viewpoint in discussing them. So he thinks, oh randman is attacking science, I better deny these hurricanes did anything unusual. He isn't even aware it seems that this is self-deception, delusional thinking. The facts are the facts regardless of how one tries to use them.And he admits he would have no problem if I stated the exact same facts but with a different angle.Well, if I stated them with a different conclusion or angle or disposition, do the facts suddenly change? Heck, he even said he followed the stories closely and that these set of facts were wrong, but anyone that followed these stories knows that these 2 hurricanes defied conventional models.So in typical evo-fashion, facts are only true when an evo sees them as non-threatening, but if they are threatening, they are wrong, and you guys really have no problem with that. it's amazing.This message has been edited by randman, 12-05-2005 12:22 AM