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Author Topic:   Hurricanes defying conventional science.
nwr
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Message 44 of 100 (265635)
12-05-2005 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by randman
12-05-2005 12:39 AM


Re: Black-and-white thinking
I have merely pointed out what mainstream meteorologists have stated,
I googled on "Hurricane Epsilon". I didn't find any web site that was saying anything as alarmist as your posts. Granted, I didn't read them all.
You are way overreacting. It's a failure of yours. You repeatedly jump to absurd conclusions on the merest hint. We see this in your NDE thread; we see it in your "ID mechanism" thread; we see it in your "adaptive mutations" PNT.
Get a grip. Stop acting like chicken little. The sky is not falling.

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nwr
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Message 52 of 100 (265702)
12-05-2005 9:20 AM
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12-05-2005 8:56 AM


Re: One place to start is William Gray
..., defied expectations that it would weaken over cool Atlantic waters ...
Note that it defied expectations, which isn't at all the same as defying science.
I have always heard that as low as 70 degrees, the effect is to sap energy (heat) from the storm, not add to it.
As far as I know, a water temperature of 70 would not sap energy, and could add energy. What saps energy is the raining that releases some of the energy from the storm. At 70, this energy loss would not be fully replaced by the moisture due to the water.
Presumably in this case there was less raining than usual, so the storm could retain energy for a longer period of time.

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nwr
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Message 53 of 100 (265705)
12-05-2005 9:23 AM
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12-05-2005 8:59 AM


Re: Black-and-white thinking
I already posted the fact it intensified over cold water.
In the midwest we regularly see storms intensifying over land, and often that land is colder than 70.

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Message 72 of 100 (265789)
12-05-2005 1:30 PM
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12-05-2005 9:43 AM


Re: Black-and-white thinking
But those storms are not the same as hurricanes.
Both involve similar forces.
There are reasons hurricanes weaken over cold water and land.
Sure, it's because they lose moisture content in the form of rain. But the moisture does not have to come directly from the ocean below. It can arrive in a colliding mass of moist air.

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