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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 80 of 100 (266029)
12-06-2005 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by randman
12-05-2005 12:05 AM


Re: One place to start is William Gray
these storms are mild anomalies. the only reason it was thought that hurricanes couldn't go into the southern hemispere is because there are no winds arounf the equator. it's the same reason you can't sail there without the assistance of oars. it's a stupid reason really since hurricanes crease wind, they don't feed on it. oh blah blah the coriolis effect. if you bring a toilet up from austrailia, it will still flush. south america still experiences gravity. it's the southern hemisphere, not the twighlight zone. thus hurricanes should have no problem.
i'd like to bring up a point. science undergoes evolution of it's own. as we learn more, we change our predictions. this is no great mystery. sailors still use ptolemaic models to check their instruments when they're out at sea. yep. that's the one where everything revolves around the earth and planets have epicycles. crazy stuff.
we calculate things according to our observations. when observations change, we recalculate them. we are excited when things don't work out right because it means we get to learn something new... unlike some people who flip out and exclaim 'the devil did it!!'
this may bring a revolution in meteorology, but it is not a harbinger of cataclysm. and if jesus is returning, you're not going to speed it along by talking about it. he says he will only come when no one is expecting it.
genius.

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Message 82 of 100 (266037)
12-06-2005 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by randman
12-05-2005 12:37 AM


Re: One place to start is William Gray
*sigh*
ok let me explain cold to you.
atoms possess energy and wiggle around a lot depending on how much energy they possess. the keyboard you're typing on? not so solid as you think.
want proof? fill up a balloon a little way with water and put it inside a balloon filled with air. set it up on a bowl or something so the bottom (where the water baloon is resting) is suspended. the water balloon will eventually move through the air balloon. i did it once. it took like a month or two and the air balloon deflated more and more as the air escaped with the water balloon.
anyways.
cold water is not really cold as you state. until atoms reach absolute zero, they mover around. cold is defined in a relative way depending on personal preference. heh.
anyways. as long as water possesses energy, it is possible to transfer this energy to another object, like a hurricane. hurricanes are low pressure systems, something like a weak vaccum. they suck. hehe. they attract energy like crazy. thus, it would follow that they can in fact gain energy from 'cold' water.
our predictions of hurricanes are based on statistical data. we watched a lot of hurricanes and recorded information about them and decided what was likely to happen and what we imagined was possible based purely on past experience. this is not a fixed absolute of what will happen, it's a method of prediction. the only reason we study hurricanes is because they have this nasty habit of killing and breaking stuff. we don't like our stuff broken or killed so we try to figure out where they're going to hit and how hard. that's it. that's all we care about. and that is not really a good strong basis for theory. but alas, it's what we got.
haha i now have five minutes to leave for work. ubershower.

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Message 84 of 100 (266066)
12-06-2005 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by randman
12-06-2005 11:19 AM


Re: One place to start is William Gray
what are you talking about?

i'm worldwide bitch, act like ya'll don't know.

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Message 85 of 100 (266071)
12-06-2005 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by randman
12-06-2005 11:30 AM


Re: One place to start is William Gray
if i'm missing the point it is because you have consistently avoided making any in this thread. you keep half saying stuff and it's getting under everyone's skin. you can tell us half of what you mean and then yell at us for not understanding you and brushing you off. it's rude and dishonest.
but really hon. weather machines are completely science fiction. the best we can do is cloud seeding and that doesn't really work that well.
if you look at conditions this year, i'm sure you'll find a perfectly reasonable explanation. for instance. usually in south florida we have clear, hot junes and starting in mid july until mid september we have clockwork 2:30-3:00 pm EVERYDAY severe thunderstorms.
this year, we had morning storms in june and no thunderstorms in july or august. occasionally we'd have an overnight storm but not the usual afternoon ones.
track that down. understand what was going on this year and then make deductions.

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Message 88 of 100 (266111)
12-06-2005 2:53 PM
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12-06-2005 2:42 PM


Re: One place to start is William Gray
i'm not a scientist, smartass. but it doesn't take one to figure out that nature moves in cycles and sometimes there are record-breaking years. that's why we have records. if everything happened exactly the same all the time, we wouldn't study it, would we?
i'm simply very observant of the weather THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING. cause guess what. all you have to do is understand simple physics and look outside. magic.
i'm not saying weather machine's can't happen, i'm just saying they aren't. must be an african conspiracy against the us neh? that's where they all come from. please.
there's only been one "rare" hurricane this year. the rest were quite ordinary. katrina was exactly like another hurricane that hit that area (camilla i think). the only thing even remotely spectacular about wilma is that she hit florida from the west coast... but then so did charlie last year.

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Message 89 of 100 (266112)
12-06-2005 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Hangdawg13
12-06-2005 2:47 PM


Re: One place to start is William Gray
yes, yes. but my point is that to make some blanket statement that it's impossible for storms to gain energy from water below 70 degrees is foolish. besides. it's fairly obvious that the storm didn't actually build on this "cold" water, rather just wiggled a little. but, for the sake of argument, it is possible.

i'm worldwide bitch, act like ya'll don't know.

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Message 91 of 100 (266117)
12-06-2005 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Hangdawg13
12-06-2005 3:15 PM


Re: One place to start is William Gray
if everyone has to have certifications in everything they know about then most of the people on this thread would have to find other hobbies.

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