For percy: setting the record straight on Charlie Rose interview

Those 10,000 clergy are not leaders, giants even, in the field of evolutionary sciences. If you cannot see the difference, that's your business jar, but it's still pretty obvious.

jar, the problem is with the biased and non-objective thinking of the originators and leaders in evolution.

Ok percy, he says that science excludes belief in a personal God, correct?Do you admit or deny that?

He explicitly agrees you cannot reconcile science with belief in "a divine Creator', period. How much clearer do you need it to be?

Jar, that's just plain idiotic. It is clear from what Randman posted in his Message 43 that he meant NO-ONE can. Ordinary standard everyday English, Jar. "No way YOU can reconcile..." means NO WAY IT CAN BE DONE BY ANYONE. Sheesh.

So what? They are saying that in their view it is logically impossible to reconcile believe in a God with science.

They believe that belief in God contradicts science and is irrational.

So the fact that there are scientists who do believe in God simply means to them that those scientists are irrational in that area of their mental life.

But their own conviction is that belief in God contradicts science.

Jar, that's just plain idiotic. It is clear from what Randman posted in his Message 43 that he meant NO-ONE can. Ordinary standard everyday English, Jar. "No way YOU can reconcile..." means NO WAY IT CAN BE DONE BY ANYONE. Sheesh.

EDWARD O. WILSON: Yeah. Well, he -- I`ll try to be brief. The voyage of the Beagle was an epic voyage. It was around the world. And it was conducted at a time when biologists were just beginning to explore biological diversity and also studying the fundamentals of geology. And young Darwin was thrown into this opportunity, and he had all that leisure time to - to study and to observe.He changed from an ardent Christian believer during that voyage to most of the way out -- not because he was discovering evolution. He really didn`t figure that out until after the voyage.CHARLIE ROSE: Yes.EDWARD O. WILSON: He was doing it because, as he said, if the Bible is correct -- and it says right there that those who do not - not believe in - you know, in salvation by Jesus or - or obedience, and the Old Testament says, will go to hell. And he said, if that`s true, my brother and most of my friends are doomed forever. And he said, and that is a damnable doctrine. Now, so he certainly rejected it.But anyway, I meant -- I must finish your question quickly. He accumulated an immense amount of information up here.

CHARLIE ROSE: How have people come to reconcile religion and evolution?JAMES D. WATSON: Well, I think it`s - you`ve got to define religion. If it`s a personal god who interferes with our lives and listens to our prayers and aware of our existence, I really -- I can only mention one person that I know who believes that, who`s a serious scientist. Once you see ...CHARLIE ROSE: Only one serious scientist you know believes there is a personal god who listens to our prayers?JAMES D. WATSON: Yeah. That`s about it.EDWARD O. WILSON: I don`t know a one.JAMES D. WATSON: Well, you know...CHARLIE ROSE: This is -- I don`t know who you`re talking about.JAMES D. WATSON: Francis Collins.EDWARD O. WILSON: Well, I guess I know him, yes.CHARLIE ROSE: Francis Collins.EDWARD O. WILSON: Collins, yes.CHARLIE ROSE: He is often - Francis Collins is often quoted...JAMES D. WATSON: Yes. But I really don`t know anyone else. And I - I think when you -- now that we`ve carried it forth, where we actually can look at DNA and see what it`s like in a chimpanzee, and you see all these things ...