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Buzsaw
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Message 100 of 231 (287174)
02-15-2006 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Percy
02-15-2006 7:13 PM


Re: btw, here is a nobel prize winner that beleives
Percy writes:
Though I'm sure they know *of* Sternberg, they are very unlikely to *know* Sternberg. And whether they know him or not, I very much doubt they consider him a serious scientist.
Herein seems to lie the point of this thread, which I've just finished reading in it's entirety. Due to the fact that it's the secularists who get in the journals and whose views get aired, scores of serious scientists who do not subscribe to mainstream scientific thought simply are not considered to be serious scientists.
To Randman's credit, I haven't seen undue bad behavior in this thread nor did I see the word "liar." He, like me, sees the bias in the science community in favor of secularists and that involves, sometimes, not so subtile exaggerated claims by the majority science community. I'm not prepared to produce specifics on the spot here, but I've seen it and cited it myself on occasion.

Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

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Buzsaw
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Message 163 of 231 (287764)
02-17-2006 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by nwr
02-17-2006 10:56 AM


Re: Logical implications of Darwinism
nwr writes:
The Old Testament already excludes that kind of God.
Not when you come to know the OT god, Jehovah, and understand that he, being the creator and manager of the universe did everything he did in the OT for the advancement of his ultimate kingdom on planet earth and for the ultimate good of the universe relative to the eradication of evil in his universe.

Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

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Buzsaw
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Message 175 of 231 (288252)
02-18-2006 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Percy
02-18-2006 7:52 PM


Re: I've just watched it.
Percy writes:
Clearly Billy Graham is saying that if you don't accept Jesus you'll be killed. He's using threats and intimidation to win conversions. Anyone who thinks otherwise just does not fully appreciate what is being said. There's no ifs, ands or buts in that quote, just declarations. It's as clear as day to anyone who opens their eyes. He's attacking the beliefs of non-Christians by threatening them with death. He has no respect for the beliefs of other religions, just contempt.
Percy, I don't know the context from which the quote was taken, but knowing the in context NT doctrine on this and being very familiar with Billy Grahams preaching, having heard scores of his messages over the years, here's the NT texts from which he got this:
1. Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
2. Hebrews 9:27: "It is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgement."
3. Revelation 20:6: Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection. On such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
Note also that he included himself in the original death sentence, lovingly preaching to his audience the Biblical remedy for deliverance from the sentence. Another verse that comes to mind is Romans 3:23, which says: "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." The word gospel depicts good news and what Graham and others preach is that good news of deliverance from the dilema of the 2nd death pronounced on all men. If Graham and the rest of us Christians really believe this, it would be very selfish of us not to share the good news of deliverance with others.
Clearly, the "death" which Evangelist Graham was aluding to is the second death which comes after the judgement of all men.

Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

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Buzsaw
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Message 183 of 231 (288277)
02-19-2006 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Percy
02-18-2006 7:52 PM


Re: I've just watched it.
OK Percy, after making a fool of myself, I might as well dig myself in all the way. I read Rand's message 166 and am not fully comprehending the parody relative to it. Would you kindly cite precisely which statements the parody appliess to significantly and how in message 166?

Gravity is God's glue that holds his universe together.

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