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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
For those who believe in random chance:
If I put all the pieces of a small puzzle (may be 50) and shake them up even after million times, chances of them self assembling themselves is impossible. Now, one more to think about. We all use computers for this forum. Well, if I look at the computer, it is very complex. It is too hard for me to understand how the microprocessor is coupled to various other electronic components and when it is powered on, there it goes. The first computer did nto self assemble. There was a man by the name Steve Jobs who is more intelligent than me and he knew all about the electronic components. He put them all together and laid them in the proper places and fed the electric power. This became the original DESIGN of the first Apple computer. Later on this one evolved into imac's and g-macs. So, in this situation, it was Steve Jobs who was the Intelligent Designer. As a biologist, it is very hard for me to imagine that a simple unicellular organism which is lot more complex than acomputer came into existence by self assembly without a designer. He could be an alien from Mars even.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
now, if you had a computer algorithm that started with one piece of the puzzle, and tried a few different pieces at random to attach to it rejecting all the ones that didn't fit and keeping the ones that did -- see how fast your puzzle gets put together""
Does it mean that the Super computer is the intelligent Designer? Well, we can say anything about the failure of the first computer or who ever did it. In the context, this is not important. The issue here is who INVENTED the first computer? Did it require Intelligence?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
What about "artificial intrinsic evolution" of electronic circuits? Did it not require a Designer? Did it come from space?
Artificail intrinsic evolution will create Electroninc circuits ONLY after it is designed, tested and properly made to function. It cannot come into existence without a DESIGNER. Thanks for proving my point.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
What about "artificial intrinsic evolution" of electronic circuits? Did it not require a Designer? Did it come from space?
Artificail intrinsic evolution will create Electroninc circuits ONLY after it is designed, tested and properly made to function. It cannot come into existence without a DESIGNER. Thanks for proving my point.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
I am still confused as to how intligent people can deny the overwhelming evidence of evolutinary theory"
Where is the evidence? When I ask for evidence, all i get is" REad this book" No one has given me any concrete evidence for evolution to occur. Whatever was offered is irrational and boring. . "Science is a wonderful tool that is at it's best when helping to make sense of the physical world"Science is a branch of study. Tools for studying science are experiments, and observations. Whereas Evolution is a Philosophy based on naturalism. In a sense, it is a Religion by itself. It takes more faith to believe in evolution than in an intelligent design. "Religion encompasses feelings and motivations.....often given insight to a percieved meaning to life" Science will never achieve this by it's very nature" No not true. When I make new inventions, I am exhilarated with Joy. This is pure scientific accomplishment. I am excited. When Archimidies discovered the basic principles of hydraulics, he ran with excitement shouting Eureka,Eureka." I am not sure if he was nude when he ran.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
`Intrinsic' Hardware Evolution is the use of artificial evolution -- such as a Genetic Algorithm -- to design an electronic circuit automatically"
No mater what they are they are still man made devices. The analogy used here is the pieces of the puzzle "SELF ASSEMBLING" You can write algorithms to make this happen. Still, this process requires INTELLIGENCE. Algorithms do not fall from the sky.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE give me one evidence which is based on facts, logic and good reasoning. Thank you.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Mutations are only assumptions and imaginary tools. They do not happen in reality. Millions of mutations have been carried out on the fruit fly, Drosophila melanogaster. No useful mutant had been identified.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
The discovery Institute warned Dover School board not to intoroduce ID in the school curriculum. It needs lot of work. Not only this, but it must be represented properly both for the layman as well as for the Advanced Inquisitives. ID is too young to be taught in schools.All that they can say is there are too many gaps in the theory of evolution. Alternative explanations are under the way. This must be fair and reasonable.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
No one has done it yet. The complexity is too enormous. Today, we know the composition of almost every living cell even up to the subatomic level. We may take them in proper proportions and apply any known force on earth. No matter what we do, they still remain only as mixture of chemicals and they never get organized as biological structures. This is a mystery.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
"Creationists often say things like this, but I don't understand why".
The reason is they are honest about their knowledge. They do not try to explain anything away by some means.It is not bad at all. Last month, I attended a seminar by Dr. Templeman, M.D. He was fascinated by the antioxidant activity of a fruit and he himself conducted serious studies. I became curious and asked him few questions. I expected him to say that, yes, it works, yes, it works. But, he had the humility and courage to say no, when it was no. I was very impressed with his honesty. I do not know where he stands regarding Evolution/ID.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
WE have a problem here.No one gave me any evidence. But, instead criticize the form or even the messenger with no message. The form (Scroll, book, etc) does not matter. If you have papyrus rolls, you can post them if you can.OR Whatever form you have the information on please post. I am curious. I am seeking information, whatever it is. I am asking for logical, rational and Scientific evidence. If you do not have, please admit it. Thank you.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
How about Torah? May be this will be better than the Bible!!!!!
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Evolutionary algorithms!!! are excellent tools. Were they not written by an Intelligent Designer? Millions of mutations have been carried out on Drosophila Melanogaster. No single useful mutant has been found. How do you justify your statement that mutations have occured? After all mutations can be easily demonstrated.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6112 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Does it not require an intelligent designer to write the genetic algorithm?
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