anti-abortion folks still get abortions

Your head might explode when you read this, but I'm willing to risk it.This is some crazy shizzle. link

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She looks like a crazy lady. Liberal supreme?

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She looks like a nice lady to me.Any comments on the content of the article mentioned in the OP?

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Have you ever wished that a cop was around whilst you silently cursed a person doing something that you yourself have done...and probably will do again?

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Er, no, not that I can recall.

So, do you have any comments on the article mentioned in the OP?

RiverRat, if you are going to comment upon the content or implications of the article linked to in the OP, then please do so.Otherwise, please stop derailing this thread.The topic is; "anti-abortion activists still get abortions"

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Someone accused me of having an agenda, without any proof, or explaining why. Isn't that against forum rules? Argue the point, not the person?

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Yes.Argue the point, not the person.So, your comments describing the author as "crazy" or whatever is not appropriate, and the fact that you have yet to address the article and point of the OP is also not appropriate.If you wish to comment upon the article in the opening post, please do so.What do you think about the fact that anti-aborion activists have abortions?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 03-25-2006 08:40 AM

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There is no strength in trying to make a group of people look like hypocrites. You willl only succeed in making them look like hypocrites, not actually make a logical arguement for what you stand for.

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The point is to show that the choice to have an abortion or not is a personal, individual choice, and that even those who seem to believe with all their hearts that abortion is murder and should be illegal still avail themselves of a safe, legal abortion when they have determined that they really need one.These people have no problem judging other people and feeling morally superior to them, but they suddenly have to construct a different moral standard for themselves when their own circumstances force them to have to confront the situation themselves.The point was to show the logical disconnet; that they believe that their abortion is the "only moral abortion", that somehow they can convince themselves their circumstances are completely different from every other woman's in the world.That is incredibly powerful, and uncovers a great truth about at least some in the anti-choice movement.

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Most of these people who are for abortion, should be helping the world not have unwanted pregnancies, but you don't see that.

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What are you talking about???All pro-choice organizations I have ever heard of or been involved with are also strong advocates of contraception, sexual health and responsibility education, family planning services, women's social and economic empowerment, enforcement of child care laws, and domestic violence education.It is the anti-choice people who want to keep young people ignorant of sexual health and contraception, limit family planning services as much as they can, make contraception harder to get (even wanting to allow pharmacists to not dispense prescriptions for contraception), etc.What kind of la-la land do you live in that you don't see that this is the case?

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Those who proclaim abortion to be wrong, yet "avail themselves" abortions are modern-day Pharisees. Their lack of a moral back-bone and insincere proclamations puts them squarely amongst the other murderers.

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Would you advocate sending them to the electric chair, then?

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Nobody hates a hypocrite more than me. But I still wouldn't use it to argue a point.

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Since the article doesn't do that, I am not sure why you keep implying that it does.

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But why is it I hear so much more about abortion, than help for unwanted pregnancies,

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Because there is a very vocal, radical religious minority that is hell-bent upon framing the debate that way.It is because these people are attacking our rights for no other reason than their religious fanatacism and their desire to invade my life and force me to follow their religious morals.Go to the Planned Parenthood website, rat, if you want the truth about the pro-choice movement. Read through the "Health Info", "Education" and "International" sections if you want to know what they are doing to prevent unwanted pregnancy.Then, go to the website for the National Right to Life movement and see how much they are doing to promote contraception, sexual health and responsibility education, and other tried and true methods for recucing unwanted pregnancy.The comparison is shocking, I assure you.

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or programs to encourage kids NOT to have sex. Having sex at a young age messes up your life, in more ways than one.

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Evidence for this claim?I think that the biggest determinant of having sex at a young age being detrimental is the guilt and shame and "dirtyness" associated with it in certain cultures, such as our own.In other cultures where children are taught that sex is natural and normal and that respect for others and being responsible for oneself and one's partners is part and parcel of having sex, I don't think you're going to find that sex at a young age "messes up" many people.

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Unfortunatly our society glorifies it, and it's solution is to have abortions, way to go.

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No, rat.Many people in our society, namely the pro-choice supporters, believe the solution is to educate children about sexual health and responsible sex ual behavior, and to make contraception widely available and free or inexpensive.That way, kids can make informed, responsible choices regarding if they want to have sex, and if they do, how to prevent unwanted pregnancy, and thus abortion.Anti-choice policies result in more unwanted pregnancy, not less.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 03-26-2006 12:11 PM

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I am not an expert on Leviticus, but I do know that most people who read it, would not understand it, because the times were completely different. It is easy to think how atrocious things were, when in fact they might not have been. It's all relative.

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So, you are a moral relativist, then, just like holmes?You believe that buggering little children, or infanticide, or taking females as property to be plundered as the spoils of war would be OK as long as "the times were completely different"?

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It is not I who is doing the advocating, it is the Lord God who has dictated His righteous laws. God has proclaimed that the wages of sin is DEATH. Although listening to the moral cowards who preach tolerance towards sin, it would seem otherwise, wouldn't it?

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Gosh, you sound just like the Taliban.

I wrote my post carelessly, holmes, sorry.I just added your name as emphasis to riverrat, not as a way to assign to you the examples in my post.

You are just pulling stuff out of your backside, rat.Tell me, have you gone to the Planned Parenthood website and looked at the sections I pointed you to to see what they are doing to prevent unwanted pregnancy, and then did you go to the National Right to Life website, and see what they are doing to prevent unwanted pregnancy?

Brenna wrote: Then you replied:

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I am not an expert on Leviticus, but I do know that most people who read it, would not understand it, because the times were completely different. It is easy to think how atrocious things were, when in fact they might not have been. It's all relative.

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So explain to me why you said that in response to what Brenna posted.It surely seem to me that you were saying that in the past, stoning women who were adulterers might not have been all that bad, and that it's "all relative".

Brenna wrote: Then you replied:

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I am not an expert on Leviticus, but I do know that most people who read it, would not understand it, because the times were completely different. It is easy to think how atrocious things were, when in fact they might not have been. It's all relative.

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So explain to me why you said that in response to what Brenna posted.