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riVeRraT
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Message 123 of 301 (298930)
03-28-2006 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by crashfrog
03-27-2006 7:31 PM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
You see, taking things out of context sucks.
So biology is the only science, thats what your saying.

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riVeRraT
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Message 134 of 301 (299060)
03-28-2006 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by crashfrog
03-28-2006 8:59 AM


You would be the first to argue about homosexuals being able to have babies, through scientific means.
You don't have to have sex, to have a baby these days, haven't you expressed that to me already?
Why are you now saying that we would not exist anymore?
I know why, cause it suits your arguement to say such a thing now.

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riVeRraT
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Message 135 of 301 (299063)
03-28-2006 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by PaulK
03-28-2006 7:45 AM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
So are you saying that it is more wrong to go along with saying something is a horrible crime if you don't believe it
I never said that. I expressed that I do not know why those people who did that, according to surveys, and Joyce's web-site, if they even in fact did that, and the numbers are correct.
But if, they do think it is horrible, and are against it, then they are hypocrite for getting one. What there true motives are, is unclear.
The survey doesn't really indicate if they are truely against it, and got one anyway, and just commited murder in their own minds, or if they really don't have a problem with it, but just protest against it for whatever reason.

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riVeRraT
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Message 136 of 301 (299068)
03-28-2006 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 12:24 PM


Re: what's the difference between a pile of dead babies and a ferarri?
but it's only wrong to people who agree with you. it's not wrong to the rest of us.
What I meant is, that me feeling it is wrong, and you feeling it is right, is subjective.
Whether it is actually wrong or right remains to be seen. Would you agree?
I mean we have killed 40million already, what if some alien force came to us, and said, well your 40million short, so we are going to have to destroy you, and make way for an intergalactic highway.
and the fact that you want to put my life and health in jeopardy
??? I did not get you pregnant.
It's your problem, not mine.
You do understand that I am for abortion if medical conditions are present. I am not for it as a form of birth control.

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riVeRraT
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Message 137 of 301 (299071)
03-28-2006 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 12:12 PM


If I send my kids riding without a helmet, they won't get pregnant.
Where do you come up with this junk?

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riVeRraT
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Message 138 of 301 (299073)
03-28-2006 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 12:10 PM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
do you think maybe your unhealthy attitudes toward sex are a result of this?
I do not have an unhealthy attitude towards sex, that is your subjective opinion. I love sex, I try to have it everyday.

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riVeRraT
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Message 146 of 301 (299167)
03-29-2006 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 6:28 PM


Re: what's the difference between a pile of dead babies and a ferarri?
pregnancy INHERENTLY causes medical conditions
No shit sherlock!!!
What causes pregnancy?
Now you can end it.

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riVeRraT
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Message 147 of 301 (299170)
03-29-2006 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 6:29 PM


they won't get pregnant, but they will get a head injury and possibly die. it's inherently risky behavior. why would you do that to your children?
Exactly!!!! Bingo!!!!!
So I make them where a helmet, so that won't happen. Cause if they hurt there head, they could not just go and get an abortion and make it all better.
If we treated the process that causes humans to exist, yourself included with half the respect of my child wearing a helmet, then people would stop having sex, unless they were married, otherwise cut your nuts, or tie your tubes.
BTW, abortion is a risky medical procedure also, but that one is ok, because it's not as bad.
Give me a break.

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riVeRraT
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Message 148 of 301 (299173)
03-29-2006 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by ringo
03-28-2006 6:40 PM


Are you your brother's/sister's keeper? Yes you are.
It is your problem, whether you got him/her pregnant or not. It's everybody's responsibility.
It's just not your business.
Thats just a bunch of BS also.

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riVeRraT
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Message 149 of 301 (299174)
03-29-2006 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 11:24 PM


the best part is that he was too thick to get my use of the term UNDUE BURDEN as a statement of legality.
If you have something to say about me, say it directly to me, not to ringo.
undue burden is not a statement of legality in the sense you are using it.
There's nothing undue about having consensual sex, and not expecting that a life may start to exist.
It's due.

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riVeRraT
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Message 150 of 301 (299178)
03-29-2006 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Firebird
03-28-2006 9:06 PM


Re: How could they?
Hi firebird
As Holmes implied, this article is more a collection of narratives than research, but the reason it interested me is because I could partly relate to it. As a teenager I would have been against abortion, but had no understanding of the issues; just found the idea repulsive. I never campaigned or joined any anti-abortion lobby.
The title speaks for itself.
As a young adult, however, I did have an early term abortion, and have not regretted doing so. Under the circumstances my becoming pregnant was both dishonest and manipulative (not to say that the other involved was better but still). Anyway, I saw the procedure more as righting a wrong, like returning to a store department after you’ve left it with an item unpaid for; embarrassing but still not as bad as leaving the store with it. . .
That pretty much sums up how I felt about the abortion me and my fiancee agreed upon. So I can relate. Except now I feel bad about it. It nothing more than the fact that I did an act, a selfish act of pleasure, started alife form, and then never gave it a chance.
Where ever this whole prcess comes from, making babies, whether it's from God or not, I feel lucky to be able to experience it, and I took advantage of it.
You say you do not feel bad about it? You never even think about what that child might have been like? Could have been your best friend in the whole world, who loved you until your death bed.
I did and do feel guilt,
About having an abortion, or being anti-abortion (at first)?
Concerning the women who secretly had abortions and then returned to the picket line, I find it very hard to understand their thinking, and can only assume that they believe themselves unable to do without their support group.
I find it very hard to understand their thinking too, that is why I will not judge them. There is more than one issue going on there, and it may not even have anything to do with just abortion.

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 151 of 301 (299179)
03-29-2006 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 6:31 PM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
it's people who deal dishonestly with each other.
Sometimes through sex.
Ask you a question. Ever wonder why you even talk with me?

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 159 of 301 (299360)
03-29-2006 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by PaulK
03-29-2006 1:52 AM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
Dude, I totally do not understand you.
someone translate for me, so I can answer him, I do want to give you a valid answer, but the way you word things, I guess I am just not getting it.

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riVeRraT
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Message 160 of 301 (299361)
03-29-2006 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by macaroniandcheese
03-29-2006 8:07 AM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
I never was one, or am I one now.
It's too bad you think I am.

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riVeRraT
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Message 161 of 301 (299365)
03-29-2006 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by macaroniandcheese
03-29-2006 8:16 AM


it's none of anyone's business if i'm having sex and it's no one's business except my doctor if i have an abortion.
It sure is someones business, the life you create.
But it is not mine, if you want to take risks, thats your business.
It seems that quite a few people in here are with the idea, that as long as all party's involved consent, then it's ok. i.e. being gay, etc.
If your fetus could talk, would it say, ok, kill me, I don't want to live? And I don't want to hear about the development of a baby in the womb.
but most anti-choice people are against helmets. they don't want sex-ed in schools, they don't want condoms available, they're trying to outlaw birth control and are trying to get insurance companies to stop covering it. they've gotten some pharmacists to stop selling it. it's criminal. what about married women who don't want to have babies but don't want to throw themselves into menopause?
I am for all that, it doesn't bother me. But none of that excludes you from the possibility that a life form may begin to exist. So it's a chance, just like wearing a helmet.
I am not anti-choice, I am pro-choice. Choose whether to have sex or not.
it's not about sex, it's not about marriage, it's about women being free from men ruling their lives. and you crazy people don't want us to have an ounce.
what the hell does men ruling your life have to do with it?
You want to rule over the life that might start developing in your womb, does that make you a hypocrite?

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