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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If God created it all, then everything you see is evidence of Him.
If you choose not to believe it is, then you are exercising your free will. The bible says that if you don't believe, then the rocks will. Our destinations are all the same, but the path there is different for each of us. I wouldn't say your going to hell for being an atheist, but if you feel like your going to hell for being one, then maybe you should start looking harder for God. Sounds to me like you desire the truth. John 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
What mike said, it's about choices.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
He made a person who requires empirical evidence to believe things. Every single thing in your life in order for it to be true requires this evidence? Can you prove that your mother loves you?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
In the DAY In the day, not on the day.Ultimately they died.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
that's fine but why does the child's children and all their descendants have to live with the consequences ? They don't have to, they choose to.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
This is different from my Bible (NIV), which states: There are many different bibles, with many different ways of saying it. The truth is, we don't seem to know exactly what was meant, as we no longer can translate the original language that it was written in. The fact is, that they died. So I guess if the bible is to be correct, then it reads "in the day". It is kind of silly to argue about it, but nice to discuss it.
Adam and Eve were not immortal, I don't know if they were immortal or not. If they weren't, they had the tree of life to eat from, to keep them alive possibly.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
It would not be a punishment to ultimately perish since they were doubtless going to die anyway. This is made plain by the fact that hey had not eaten of the tree of life. You grasp at straws to support an invalid position. But if God exists, and that conversation did in fact happen between Adam and God, then the problem lies in the translation, or at least some of them. This has to be a consideration if you are truely of scientific mind. It is not clear to me what was meant. I believe in God exists, then He would not be a liar.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Also depends on which version of the Bible you take as being the 'true' version. This is from my own mind, so take it for what is worth. I believe it to be a revelation from God. I used to have problems with all the translations, and ask why are there so many translations, and which one is the true translation? We were studying the meanings of some of the greek words in a lesson, and it occured to me how many meanings there are for the same word. Since we no longer live in those times, it is hard for us to actually know what was meant. So all the translations actually hold some validity. They are necessary. To show all that could have been meant.
It must be a nightmare being a literalist. I think the term literalist is probably an invalid term, unless you can understand the original language the bible was written in. Otherwise your just book specific. You could be a NIV literalist, or a KJV literalist, but a true literalist doesn't exist. The next best thing would be someone that accepts all versions of the bible. So from that alone they couldn't be to set in there ways about reading it. What do you think?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
NO.. I can't.. I'd like to think she does, and all the evidence says she does (30 years of worrying about me, picking me up when I fall, fixing my cuts and bruises etc.. etc), but It can't be proved. your point? Then how can I prove that God loves you?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You can't. How can you prove that God, as you believe in him/her/it, exists? You can't. You have to take it on faith. I agree, objectively. That was my point. But does that mean He is not there?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Has he provided any evidence that HE does? Everything is evidence if He exists. It's up to you do choose whether it's from His love or not(even the bad). Just like your mother's actions. Sometimes she did things to you that you may have not liked, You are choosing to believe it is from love, and rightfully so.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
The literal translation of the hebrew according to info provided by the blueletter bilble is a follows `ets da`ath towb ra` 'akal yowm 'akal muwth muwth tree knowledge good evil eat day eat die die Please inform us of the sentence you would construct from the literal will you? I am not a literalists, so I don't care really. Hebrew is not the original language either.
Since when is the promtion of an unfalsifable hypothesis {God} a product of scientific thinking rr? Shouldn't you always be open minded to all possibilities? Even ones not yet discovered? I have a fallacy I am designing that will explain this.
The defense of a weak position is always best served by providing the illusion of strength. There is no illusion, only truth, the Spirit of Truth.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
The same cannot be said for God Not yet for you, I guess.
Please explain why you feel that 'everything' in evidence for God? Because I feel His love now.There was a time when I only accepted Him by faith. Now I feel it is a step beyond that. I can feel the Holy Spirit, it is like the love you feel from your mother times a 1000.It's like the feeling of truth times 1000. That’s the best I can explain it. The day I felt the Holy Spirit, I always tell people, is the day I went crazy, or the day I felt a bit of God. It changed many things for me, about me, in the snap of a finger. If I can somehow reciprocate that love to others, then that is my only chance at "proving" God to anyone. Of course this is tough on a forum, but in real life, it is not as tough. So in short, because I believe He exists, based on what I feel, then when I look at everything, there is a root feeling inside of me that screams that it is all from Him. You may even experience this feeling yourself when you look around and wonder where did it all come from? Except maybe you come up with explanations for everything. I don't know, because I don't know you.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
No, because many possibilities have already been eliminated by science. Such as?
My point was that the hypothesis you put forward has to have a means of falsification{even if only in principle} in order to allow science to eliminate it from the field. Failing this,it cannot be resolved by scientific means. Ok, maybe I am not understanding you, but I am not asking for anything to be eliminated. I just said we should be open to all possibilities.
So you say. Yes!! Evidence of something.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
and God, in one respect is an easy solution, it provides answers, a set of instructions, which if followed will make everything better No, it's been just the opposite. It has been a tough ride, but a rewarding one. I knew instantly the moment I felt what I felt that my life was going to be tougher if I chose to pursue it, and not explain it away.
Unfortunately you lose at the very point that you attribute that feeling to God... From my point of view this is your way of applying meaning to something you cannot understand, 'God' is a very easy way to do this, I can't accept this, because the notion of God is unsupportable and contradictory. It was more than just a feeling. It was thoughts in my head, overwhelming feeling, instant change for many things in my life, physical change on the outside, that people noticed, a whole new state of mind, that involved me doing things I was never capable of before.Please keep in mind, that I was not at rock bottom or anything, my life was, and is a very happy one, and fulfilling. I view this as pure self delusion, with the very real (and beneficial) effect of providing inner peace, peace in the knowledge/belief that you know what is causing these feelings. I took that into consideration, and it is more than just a feeling, so self delusion does not explain it. In fact I think I was in self delusion before it. I can see that now.
peace in the knowledge/belief that all that is unknown will be taken care of by god. More than knowledge belief. I physically things accomplished by God, based on my faith. I never understood the verse you can move mountains with your faith, until I started seeing it for myself. Unfortunatly I do not have enough faith to move a mountain, but some of the smaller things in life, can now be accomplished.
Or rather, your belief in something in no way makes it real. Yea, I used to think that the subjective evidence I see, with some objective evidence, does not prove God. It's all about love.
If it really were that easy I would choose to believe in Santaclaus, the easter bunny, happy endings. They would be no more likely to exist due to my belief. but they would be no more likely to cease to exist due to my disbelief. To believe in something, it has to present itself(or be presented) as something believable, possible, and likely. Otherwise I fear i do not have the capability to believe in it. No offense, but all this stuff your telling me, has been told by many in this forum already. It's becoming like a preprogrammed response that you learn in college or something. I also would talk exactly the way your talking now, until it happens to you. I don't expect you to believe, but it wouldn't hurt to keep your eyes open. If there is one thing I learned, it is we all seek the truth. God is truth, and he created us to worship Him in spirit and truth.
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