God is cruel

if you read genesis, it never really talks about death until god says something about it hmm you don't consider the line about being the one being made in the image of god not being better than all the other animals? verse where it says this please human pride shows up in genesis via the fact that the authors write that we are made in gods image, that alone says we are better than other animals (at least as far as the authors of genesis thought) i would say they are less cought up in self than us rather than they know god better than us, what i mean is they don't have things like human relations to effect perceptions.
i wouldn't say animals are morally superior, they have no morals at all, they are amoral most likely, and do not precieve things the way humanity sometimes does maybe the author was trying to say something, but its not remotely a common belief by anyone - we can't say eather way unless we can get time travel to work {Abe:sigh must be time for bed soon }This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 04-14-2006 02:28 AMThis message has been edited by ReverendDG, 04-14-2006 02:29 AM

I'm sorry does reading a text for what it says mean nothing anymore? Wouldn't you think if death was a common thing in the garden they would speak of it?
But thats all it is;an assumption you don't know this for sure, unless you have some evidence that they did, i can't very well take your word for it I'm saying as morals are purely a human construct animals can't be moral in the sense that we can be, they are amoralwhat does genesis 1.25 have to do with morals?or job? it would be nice if you could post the begining and ending lines, because anyone can make the bible say anything No i'm saying that animals have no morals to begin with so the idea of contrasting them with humans is wrong, whether or not they are rebellious. Do you think wolves worry about whether its morally right to kill deer? or kill cattle?
you are trying to force something on animals that will not work.
if this is not close to what you want to say then make it clearer please i think it did, it made them have something other animals will not have, morals and knowlege of something higher than the needs of the body - do you think sheep care about anything higher than "were is my next meal?" that is just common religious beliefs, of course people would believe that god controls nature and animals if he wants he is god after all
as for balaam, he may have not expected an angel, animals have better perception of events, mostly because they don't have all the crap we deal with. its because of all the stuff we added with the advancement of civiliation, if you are not worrying about where your next meal is coming from or if you will die in the next day if you don't have a place to hide, then you can fill your time with things that are not needs - art, discourse, war, etc not biblical figures, but just people in general in and out of the bible. seems to me that from the lines you posted, theirs nothing on animal morality in the bible did you even read what i said, the author may have tried to use the snake to mean what you said, but no believer remotely believes this historicly or now. the jews thought it was a snake argueing with god, the christians think its satan - this is what i mean. this quote is irrelevent to what i said, and is rather OT anyway. What i mean about the time travel is that since we have no evidence the authors or anyone during the time it was written believed anything you put forth, you can't very well say its remotely right

only if you, view wanting to be like god = ego, i'm not so sure it was really about ego, or more like a child wanting to be like thier parents, we want to be like someone we love