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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I don't see the necessity for the concept of "soul." I always thought "mind" would do.
"A man with a good car doesn't have to be justified"---Flannery O'Connor
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Mind doesn't include emotions, does it? To me it does. Ok, let's just say "consciousness."
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Uhh, lets just say "soul". thats what the thread is about The question was, what is the soul? My answer: it's another word for "consciousness."
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
OK, I see that "mind" can be the equivalent, but "soul" doesn't have the ambiguities that "mind" does. Or maybe you just aren't used to using the term so it doesn't have a clear meaning to you. I think it's the least ambiguous of all the possibilities. "Soul" sounds more substantial than "consciousness" too, like we're really talking about a personality Ok, I see your point. Let me explain what prompted this idea of mine that "soul" is an unnecessary term. In traditional metaphysics, one might be a materialist, a dualist, or an idealist. Now, when an idealist says that only the mind is real, he might as well say, only the spirit is real, or only the soul is real. It all means the same thing. It's all being opposed to matter. We have mind and matter. That's all there is.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
What a bold assertion to claim knowledge of the non-existance of something. You can't know that something doesn't exist. I was speaking in terms of traditional metaphysics. Very bold of me, I know. It's like saying, there are two ways we can logically think: induction and deduction. How dare I say such a thing? Or it's like saying, That which contradicts itself cannot be. How dare I say such a thing?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
the part I found bold was "That's all there is." Logically, that is all there is. But who cares about logic?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
OMG, not this crap again. That's the horrible thing about logic. It does tend to limit possibilities. That's not very romantic, is it? "A man with a good car doesn't have to be justified"---Flannery O'Connor
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I agree with you that Robin's idea of logic is somewhat lacking. And he doesn't know much (if anything) about the philosphy of mind, either. That's what happens when one is close-minded.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Many a true word was spoken in jest. Good one, Paulk. "A man with a good car doesn't have to be justified"---Flannery O'Connor
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
OMG, not this crap again Any entity we could think up would fall into one of those two categories of mind and matter, or being and thing.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
But I don't wanna argue with you when all your gonna do is use your own definitions for words and argue them with your own form of logic. Leave your logical arguments out of it and define entity, mind and being and maybe I'll discuss it with you but otherwise, don't even bother replying What's your problem?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
What a bold assertion to claim knowledge of the non-existance of something. You can't know that something doesn't exist. Oh, I think there are some things that we can say do not exist. For example, that which contradicts itself cannot exist. Round squares don't exist.
I agree that we have mind and matter but I think we have a soul too. IMHO, when we die the mind and matter die but the soul moves on, its an immaterial component of our existance that is connected to the matter via the mind. How bold of you. Any particular reason that you believe in this soul which is neither mind nor matter but some mysterious other entity? Do you believe it on a whim? You just feel like believing it? We, human beings, walk around all day with this aura of incorporeality which we call the "mind" or "consciousness." That's how we came up with this notion of "mentality." Some will tell us that what causes this sensation, or rather lack of sensation, is the fact that the brain has no feelers. You can, I am told, stick a needle through the brain and we wouldn't feel a thing. By that as it may, that's how we got the idea of the mental. Then there's these other things lying about out there in the world that appear to be purely physical. They are not the least bit, on the face of it, incorporeal. That's how we came up with the idea of matter. Some people say that everything is matter--that this aura of incorporeality is an illusion. We have, according to these folks, who are called materialists, no minds, only brains. But you are introducing yet a third type of reality called "soul." Any justification for that? My justification for saying there are two types of entities, or at least apparently so, are these experiences I noted above. This message has been edited by robinrohan, 04-25-2006 08:26 AM This message has been edited by robinrohan, 04-25-2006 08:37 AM
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
If everything is process, what is it that's being processed?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
This is to say that energy and mass are two sides of the same coin. Two forms of the same substance--analogous to water and ice? This message has been edited by robinrohan, 04-26-2006 02:54 PM
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