Do we affect the" physical " indepentent of the laws of physics

This is the entire point. Are you saying the the nature of the animal psychology deals with is not physical?We do have a nasty habit of compartmentalizing our thinking. We often learn much about something when looking at it from another point of view. It allows us to see things that we were previously blind to.
As I have asked before. I am curious why the resistance. Most of you are bright enough to see the correlation. I know you understand it is worth looking into. Therefore, motivations I have observed are as I guessed long ago when first coming here. No matter.

This is purely a matter of perspective. You are quite mistaken if you think I am confused. I understand the perspective you and others share quite well. I understand exactly what f=ma represents. It is no more a definition of the phenomenon we call force than your height is of you.
F=ma results in a measurement that is the property of a phenomenon we cannot define. We are aware of the result of force but we have no clue what it is. One does not discover a means to determine the mass of a substance and then declair that is the definition of the substance. This is absurd. It is no more absurd to think of force in the same narrow way. It is an artificial limitation placed upon a thing we know little about.
Science has found a predictable quantitative property of a phenomenon they cannot explain. This property can be exploited. It has proven very useful. We can be very predictable as a whole from a statistical point of view. Statistically as a whole this is an incorrect statement. People will respond. This response is a part of nature. We evolved this way. This is a property of us.The difference between your narrow view of force and mine is that you can measure a property of the subject. The mistake is that you define the subject by a property. I cannot currently measure my idea in the same fashion. We understand a number of properties of ourselves in a very real way but not measurable in the f=ma way at this time. We are a different animal so to speak but the fundamental idea is what I am driving at.

This is a completely false statement. We understand all the motivations that bring meaning to this existance. It is the meaning that shapes us yet the source for all that is meaningful, that which gives us reason to act and exist is scientifically undefinable and unmeasurable. A measurement of love or any other emotion is meaningless and unatainable. You are responding because you wish to. Any scientific explanation you give for this will fall short of anything meaningful. In the end at the root you will be forced to answer that science simply does not know. This means you are acting with a process that you must have faith in. You are accepting it's existance without scientific evidence.
I am lacking any scientific data concerning you but I understand you and others here quite well.

perhaps you do not. That is your misfortune. The case that you do not understand love?
You are most welcome.

Perhaps this is better:This is a completely false statement. We understand all the motivations that bring meaning to this existance. It is the meaning that shapes us yet, the source for all that is meaningful, that which gives us reason to act and exist, that remains scientifically undefinable and unmeasurable. A scientific measurement of love or any other emotion is meaningless and unatainable under the scope of current scientific knowledge. I do not need too. We simply do.
I assert that we are the force that experiences this and evidence of our force is left everywhere by the consequences of our decision makeing. We leave a clear and easily followable trail.

My suggestion has been and will remain that science is limiting itself.
Reality goes far beyond science's current approach to it's definition. My assertion requires a change in thinking. People simply do not like change.

It is not contradictory at all. The above statement is in complete agreement with itself. The current dogma that people insist on driving science down is the limiting factor. People are the key.It requires a shift in thinking that will come quite slowly but will surely come in time.

It has meaning outside of me the minute another sees it. Many people see very clearly what I see. I have met a number of them here. Edited by 2ice_baked_taters, : No reason given.