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Author Topic:   Do we affect the" physical " indepentent of the laws of physics
New Cat's Eye
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Message 50 of 148 (293973)
03-10-2006 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by 2ice_baked_taters
03-10-2006 11:30 AM


So what?
I find this perspective interesting and would like to see it explored.
I don't really see why it matters or what impications it has. Why is it so interesting to you?
Lets say that we DO affect the physical independent of the laws of physics, what's next to discuss?
Here's an example, lemme know if I'm gettin what you're saying.
The laws of physics don't 'recognize' what the baseball you're holding is going to do because you decide on your own accord what parameters would be inputed into any prediction physics could make about where the ball will go.
The 'force of you' decides where the ball is going to go and the laws of physics don't recognize that force.
Am I understanding you correctly?
If so, then so what?

Science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence.
Letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith, faith, faith, faith.
Science has failed our world.
Science has failed our Mother Earth.
-System of a Down

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 61 of 148 (294496)
03-12-2006 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by 2ice_baked_taters
03-11-2006 3:31 PM


Re: So what?
From each new perspective things may be learned. How this might be applied and in what context I have not thunk on it. This seems to be more than enough for people to deal with.
What a completely unsatisfying reply!
From each new perspective things may be learned.
Yeah, and some of them are worthless.
How this might be applied and in what context I have not thunk on it.
That is what I was getting at. You claim to have this thing you're refering to as "my idea". But your idea is worthless if it isn't gonna provide us with something to discusss.
Assmue your premises are true and get moving with the argument. So what if physics don't define the force that is you? What next? This idea of yours seems to be worthless to me.
This seems to be more than enough for people to deal with.
I hope its not "your idea" that you think people are dealing with. Its not, its the ambiguity of your posts.
So, take your fist post and assume that everyone agrees with it. Now what? Does this discussion even have anywhere to go?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 70 of 148 (294957)
03-13-2006 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by 2ice_baked_taters
03-13-2006 3:49 PM


how old are you?
you seem to have a lot to learn...

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 87 of 148 (296021)
03-16-2006 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by 2ice_baked_taters
03-16-2006 2:39 PM


Re: Force
Dude, go to wikipedia and look up 'force' and read it, then come back to "your idea". Which isn't really anything in the first place.
Fuck it, I'll hold your hand and walk you to it
CLICK HERE---->The definition of forcePLEASE!

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 96 of 148 (307639)
04-29-2006 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by 2ice_baked_taters
04-28-2006 10:02 AM


Well then let us come to an understanding with this force business.
For real!
It would appear to me that it may only be possible to express "force" as it is "used" in physics in a non writen or non verbal context and only be clearly understood in this form in math.
I agree, this is the way that 'force' should be expressed. Especially in a science forum. Which, by definition, uses the description of force that you just described.
Every time any of you have attempted to describe force to me you have had to cross your line. That just illustrates to me that the definition of force you are trying to convey is narrow and limited.
But that is the point. If we are gonna talk type about 'force', we should all use a well defined definition, even if that defintion is 'narrow and limited'.
Now, when you type (from the OP):
quote:
I am a force that does things at will and in many ways not according to any known physical laws.
If we are gonna use the accepted defintion of force, then this statement is incorrect. I don't think that you can do anything that is not 'according to any known physical laws'.
quote:
In fact it can be said that the force that is “us” generates it’s own set of changing laws called beliefs
But, according to the 'accpeted definition', these things you describe are not forces.
quote:
Perhaps thinking of us in terms of an energy force will allow science to have a better glimpse at that which is “us”.
Actually, delimiting the definition of 'force' worsens our glimpse at that which is 'us', but that is just my opinion. Perhaps you can convince me otherwise.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 131 of 148 (310308)
05-08-2006 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by 2ice_baked_taters
05-08-2006 12:09 PM


Re: Definition of Force
Science has found a predictable quantitative property of a phenomenon they cannot explain.
This is a contradiction. Finding a predictable quantitative property of a phenomenon IS a scientific explanation.
This is purely a matter of perspective.
IMHO, you have the wrong perspective.
It is no more absurd to think of force in the same narrow way. It is an artificial limitation placed upon a thing we know little about.
But we know a helluva lot about forces. How do you think we've build all the stuff we have? It wasn't by using a philosophical definition for what a force might poissibly be. It was from having a narrow well defined definition of force.
The difference between your narrow view of force and mine is that you can measure a property of the subject. The mistake is that you define the subject by a property. I cannot currently measure my idea in the same fashion. We understand a number of properties of ourselves in a very real way but not measurable in the f=ma way at this time. We are a different animal so to speak but the fundamental idea is what I am driving at.
And this is why your idea is worthless. It is not productive. Perhaps it could be in the future but, IMHO, it won't.

Science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence.
Letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith, faith, faith, faith.
Science has failed our world.
Science has failed our Mother Earth.
-System of a Down

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