Do we affect the" physical " indepentent of the laws of physics

2ice-baked-taters Your will is a function of your brain and as such is physical in nature. Also free will is not necessarily the case since the brain readies for an action before a conscious decision to act occurs.Benjamin Libet - Wikipedia

2ice_baked_taters If free will has no definition then just what the heck are you talking about here. {italics mine}

2ice_baked_taters By demonstating that this statement is valid. How can we establish that something youclaim to be "unpredictable" can have a "profound effect" as you espouse? Should we just take you at your word or should we examine the claim?
Perhaps you would care to give us an example of how this can affect the physical?

2ice_baked_tatersSo you say. The difficulty you have is to show the evidence that your statement is indeed valid by logical connection between your assertion that there is a "force of me" that, in fact, affect physical phenomena,
and the forces that physical phenomena operate by.How does this force manifest its abilities to physically manipulate events in the world?This message has been edited by sidelined, Tue, 2006-03-14 12:02 AM

2ice_baked_taters Take a dinner fork, bend the inner two prongs 90 degrees and then stick the fork into a wall socket in your home.After you recover from the tingle produced by this action come back here and let us know if the experience you have in indicative of a physical thing or if it is all just in your head.For gravity step off a chair and ask yourself what is the reason for you falling to the floor and just why you stop at the floor and not continue on down.Are there forces involved or perhaps it is an illusion somehow?The closer we look at the physics the further our erroneous assumptions are from the physical and the closer we get to understanding the actual structure of things.
It is just as physical as ever it is merely removed from our normal perception of it. Since our senses deal with the statistical actions of vast numbers of atoms we build a picture through our senses of an averaging of the overall contributions of individual atoms. That the world ultimately breaks down to the laws of probability is not obvious at the scale of our experience unless we are careful in our examination of the world.

2ice_baked_taters I was addressing your response to percy. You said I asked you to perform certain experiments in order to have you get an understanding of the physical nature of the forces of gravity and electromagnetism and have these become clear in your mind. Failing this I would expect you to counter with a hypothesis to explain why you feel that these phenomena are not physical.

2ice_baked_taters You are not exerting a force rather, you are having an influence as a result of the choice of a human being reading your passages.Unlike the result of a force the response of people to the influence of your statements is a choice that they have. All that read these lines are not required by a "law of nature" to answer back. You are confusing the science term of "force" which is defined as a mass acceleration with a colloquial term concerning influence or persuasion in a conversation.