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Topic: Why Atheists don't believe
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 192 of 310 (312730)
05-17-2006 8:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 190 by iano
05-17-2006 8:18 AM
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Re: Why I have a disbelief
Yeah, I felt the knives of irony...... 
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 193 of 310 (312731)
05-17-2006 8:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 190 by iano
05-17-2006 8:18 AM
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Re: Why I have a disbelief
Your right, I only believe your god is made up. As you only believe your god is real. Is this not the case?
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 200 of 310 (312739)
05-17-2006 8:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 197 by iano
05-17-2006 8:52 AM
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Re: Why I have a disbelief
Your wrong dude. Lets agree to differ. Always fun Iano Larni.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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No point.
Mate I have been saying the same thing to Iano for the last 5 hours (real time). I did not make a dent......
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 213 of 310 (312753)
05-17-2006 9:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 209 by iano
05-17-2006 9:22 AM
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Re: Q and the like
But but but... We have evidence for tables. We have no evidence for gods. The bottom line is that the evidence exist only in your head. Not every one else's head. Show anyone (anyone at all) a table and they will say: "....yup, that there's one purdy looking table style table you got there...." Show someone the sky and say: "...my god is there..." and people say: "..where?.."
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 220 of 310 (312761)
05-17-2006 9:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 215 by iano
05-17-2006 9:44 AM
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Re: Q and the like
As I have said countless times....your existance and your total faith (yes faith) in your reality and existance is NOT linked in anyway with a belief in the divine. You draw parallel where none exist. This is why I don't believe in gods. The arguements used to sustain said beliefs are full of logical errors. You claim that if you can be sure you exist then you can be sure god exist. Rubbish.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 225 of 310 (312769)
05-17-2006 10:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 221 by iano
05-17-2006 10:04 AM
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Re: Q and the like
What about people who have looked for gods (like myself) and found nothing but you in a room pointing at nothing (metaphorically speaking)? I have looked long and hard a seen bugger all. If you see something when I see nothing I can only conclude that you are deluded. This does not mean I am definitely right to conclude that, in the very same way that you are not definitely right to conclude a divivnity. I entertain an iota of doubt that any conclusion you or I have is correct. You (it appears) do not doubt in this way. Tha is your error. Where is your self correcting mechanism?
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 229 of 310 (312785)
05-17-2006 10:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 228 by iano
05-17-2006 10:35 AM
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Re: Q and the like
Iano writes: Self-verification is the only way of knowing I exist. True
Iano writes: I can verify he exists and is separate from me as I can that you exist and are separate from me too. True
Iano writes: God must turn up in order for me to verify that he exists. And if he turns up I can verify he exists - simply using the same tool I a have had ample and automatic use of all my life. The one applied to me and you and others. Okay? True
Iano writes: Right. If God doesn't exist then the verification tool I used to verify him, you and myself is faulty. It is useless. If I can't verify myself, I can not verify anything at all. An unverified existance ceases to be one. False. It means you are wrong in your specific assertation that your god is real. This is going no where Iano. I'm going home to play Oblivion.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 256 of 310 (313458)
05-19-2006 7:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 237 by riVeRraT
05-17-2006 6:27 PM
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Re: IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE
RR writes: Yes, very good. I am not making a case for God here, just explaining that the same way you know you love your mother, is the same way you will know God exists, when and if you meet Him. This is quite simply incorcect. It is correct to say "....same way you know you love your mother, is the same way you will know THAT YOU LOVE GOD, when and if you meet Him...."
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 257 of 310 (313459)
05-19-2006 8:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 245 by Quetzal
05-18-2006 10:19 AM
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Re: Truth Claims: Big and Little "C"
Great post Q. Wish I had written it. Compact and pertinent.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 271 of 310 (314271)
05-22-2006 8:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 260 by riVeRraT
05-19-2006 5:36 PM
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Re: IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE
You have the feeling of love towards your mother. You may have the feeling of a gods existance but this does not make it so. If there is a lot of correcting for me to do, please point them out and I will happili correct them for you.
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