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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
That's from the torah which was constructed sometime between 500bc and 200bc - unless you have some starling evidence of it being e-mailed to china I fail to see the relevance.
All that quote shows is that the golden rules also appeared in the book that the bible was eventually developed out of.... It in no way shape or form negates the point that lots of people said the same thing as Jesus (which was the original point you made that was challenged) and many of them said it before him. You can also find evidence of the golden rule in even earlier texts (some from Egypt for example).
quote: Edited by CK, : Typos.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
You say you don't have time to answer Crashfrog's query - yet you wish to continue to edge around the subject with rather weak analogues.
quote: But most of us have been for a look - the room is empty, there is nothing there. Instead of wasting our time with those low-quality circular answers - how about having a decent stab at providing a case of the alternative you wish to suggest to empirical evidence? Start a separate thread articulating your case. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Yes but she is saying things that be checked and are not out of the realms of the possible. You, by the very nature of your faith, are asking us to believe things that are untestable, unseeable and impossible to check upon.
Moreover, those are not equal things - your example is closer to Kong's other statement.
quote: Except in your case - it's "I had dinner with the queen on the moon and then Elvis gave me a ride home in his rocket ship". It's a matter of degree and plausibility.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Yes you are asking to believe in God by extension of your own experience.
quote: is different from
quote: The first most atheists will say "no", the second most atheists will say "sure if makes you happy, whatever". Edited by CK, : Typo - Atheist. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Well yes? but that's not what you asked. You asked if we believed you has an experience.
I believe you think it's real - I don't have any evidence it's real and my own experience tells me that it's likely false but if it makes you happy - so what?
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: The first part again is purely subjective, the second is well... meaningless.
quote: Means nothing - I've convinced people there are ghosts in the room, done cold readings etc - people are sadly easy to fool. We had a show here recently where a fella called Darren Brown went to the states and got people to believe just what you describe - he did it to show how easy it is to get people to buy into such concepts.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: Problem is it's just not true - if there was a "good percentage" of atheists who "do not believe in stuff without evidence" then they would be unable to function in the real world. Let's take a simple example - when my significant other says she is going off to work - how do I know she is? she could be off meeting another boyfriend? If someone tells me they went on holiday to Spain - what evidence do I have besides their word? Why am I likely to doubt them? If they tell me they went to Spain and helped the King of Spain defeat a terrorist cell, I'm not as likely to believe that without further evidence! If I eat out and they tell me the chicken is an organic chicken - what evidence do I have besides them telling me that? Am I going to leap up and ask to inspect the kitchens, take blood/cell samples? No of course I am not! An even more simple example - if I ask someone for directions and they give them to me, a normal person does not suddenly demand proof or evidence that the directions are correct. It's not a either/or - it's a complex case by case thing. At best you can say "do not believe in stuff that sounds highly unlikely without evidence". Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: That must be something cultural about America - here I'd just assume the directions were correct. It would never occur to be to think "oh my god what if he's a flake and sending me the wrong way!"
quote: Wait - where did 100% certainty come from? Who mentioned that? Besides you? I'm honestly not sure where this conversation is going anymore or even what you are trying to get at. My position - * I take many things on faith and my previous experience in that context and with that person. * The more complex and important an issue to me the more likely I am going to search out addition evidence or information. * The concept of Gods is not that important to me and I find no evidence of their existance or any reason to take their existance on faith. Edited by CK, : No reason given. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Yes but RR's point was that "Many Atheists don't believe stuff without evidence".
The point is - I could go and get evidence but I don't - I take it on faith. All of us take multiple things on faith every day without requiring "evidence" from the people we interact with. The fact that Evidence isavailable seems to be irrelevant to the point that I *thought* he was trying to make. Having said that - I'm increasingly confused what it is he IS trying to say I think I'll stop at the point as I cannot actually be bothered to work out what it is we ARE talking about
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