I still want a different word for 'gay marriage'

I thought that when you get married and then go down to the courthouse to sign the paperwork its all one big thing called marriage and that a civil union is something different altogether. So if I get married then I don't need a civil union. Am I wrong?

I thought that a marriage is not just a religous ceremony and a civil union. Legally, its something different, right?

Its a sacrament to my religion. I'm still under the impression that the civil part of the marriage is included in the whole package of the religious part and that a civil union is a different thing than marriage.

But how can we know how and what exactly will happen? I think its gonna mess up healthcare (assuming it can get worse :rolleyes because we'll be more prone to fake marriages for getting a friend on your healthcare plan. Some people think society will fall apart, some think the rapture will occur. My question was:At what point do their wishes become considered?and your answer is:

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their wishes become considered when enough people agree that a behaviour is so abhorent that any practice of it will objectively harm another person.

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Hence the amendment. There just isn't enough people that agree with it so I guess we'll just go ahead and have gay marriages. I'm just not gonna support it because I think its a bad idea.That doesn't mean that I want to exclude gay people or deny them rights or force my religion on other people though.

Let's not. I don't think that has anything to do with my position.

Are all civil unions marriages? (to the government not religion)

what? of course it is.. exactly the same!
to willfully fail to include someone is precisely the same as purposefully excluding them.how can you honestly say it is different. [/qs]Well, you had to throw that word 'willfully' in there and changed it.But, what I mean is that if you make a law that fails to consider some group, it is not the same as making a law that specifically excludes them.Or like Phat's example, if I invite persons A, B and D to dinner, it is not the same as saying person C cannot come to dinner.

not if it wasn't on purpose

I like that more than including gay in marriage.I still think healthcare will be negetively affected though.

When you get married you go and get a license and the government calls it a 'marriage' not a 'civil union', right?...even though, by definition, the marriage is a civil union. Now, if you go down to the court house and get a civil union, does the government call it a marriage?Are there two defintions?

I don't see civil union mentioned at all.Look at this. Seems the marriage is between a bride and a groom. Can you have a male bride or a female groom?

You mean, other than being a contradiction? dictionarywiki

Thats very bold of you to tell me what my will is (and a violation of forum guidline #10).I mean, did you even read the thread or did you just take one line from the conversation out of context and assume what I must have meant.The definition of marriage does not include gays in it. It wasn't on purpose, it didn't slip the mind, they were just a non-issue. Yes, they are excluded from the definition. But that is different than making an amendment to actively exclude them.I stand by my claim that failing to include someone is different from actively excluding them.

No it isn't. All marriages are civil unions but not all civil unions are marriages. Yeah?The marriage license from your source says groom and bride (man and woman) and there was no mention of civil union. No, it pretty much just dodges the issue that this arrose from upthread, which I have now forgotten and will have to re-read.

OMG this is so annoying. I'm sick of all the miscommunications (partly my fault I guess).I was talking about state recognized marriages. They are all, by definition, civil unions. But, are all civil unions also considered 'marriages' by the state? Yes and then there are all the statutes that refer to 'marriage' in them that were written, presumably, with the initial definition of marriage in mind. I think that some of them will get screwed up or missused if gay marriages are lumped in with 'marriage'.