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Author | Topic: I still want a different word for 'gay marriage' | |||||||||||||||||||
nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, lemme get this straight. You want to keep many thousands of gay couples who want to marry from doing so because in your particular, personal case, you would consider abusing the legalization of same-sex marriage while you wouldn't consider abusing heterosexual marriage for some vaguely-stated reason. I have never heard anything so ridiculous.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...or maybe even with a prenup, he will get a great lawyer and get his sweet dirtbike anyway. Let's imagine that you land a great job with a benefits package way better than your buddy's, and he switches on to your plan. Your buddy gets kind of used to this great benefits package and gets a bit shirty with you when, a couple of months later, you tell him that you have asked your girlfriend to marry you and that you need to dissolve the marriage. You both end up having to get lawyers, he drags the divorce proceedings out for a long time, costing both of you money, your fiance gets fed up and kicks you to the curb, etc., etc....
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, if your "opinion" isn't based upon any sort of information, data, or knowledge, then perhaps you shouldn't hold it? Call me crazy, but since when are "opinions pulled out of my ass" considered good reasons to think or do anything?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Legally, how is your marriage any different from, say, a marriage between Athiests?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If you have no data to support this then I suggest that it is nothing more than an irrational fear that I suggest you stop trying to use as an argument.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Of course. Because the government doesn't already do a great many favors for the religious. Since when do religious people own the word "marriage", anyway, such that they get to dictate to a secular government, and therefore to the entire country, their own definition?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: One of the most profound things I have ever read regarding how to have a good marriage is that you have to be willing to walk away if you had to. If someone feels like they have no choice, then powerlessness and resentment are the only natural outcomes.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I can relate, and agree, completely. Zhimbo does too.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It makes perfect sense to me.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
It makes perfect sense to me. quote: Yes! Yes I know. (Hence, the smily in my last post.)
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You know, I've asked you to support with evidence your claims that "something bad will happen", but you just don't want to. See, I did it on this very page, in message 63. Here it is again.
quote: Well, if your "opinion" isn't based upon any sort of information, data, or knowledge, then perhaps you shouldn't hold it?
Call me crazy, but since when are "opinions pulled out of my ass" considered good reasons to think or do anything?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: WHY do you think this? Based upon what data? Or is this based upon your own dishonest proclivities and nothing else? After all, anybody could (and some do) marry people of the opposite gender solely to get the benefits. Your own personal quirk that you wouldn't marry a woman but you would marry a man does not in any way constitute evidence in support of your claim. If you cannot support it, stop using the argument. (You have ignored many not-so-subtle attempts to point this out to you, yet you keep making the baseless claim over and over again. Please don't make me get a moderator.) Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Actually, I just learned that that oft-repeated statistic "half of all marriages end in divorce" is quite misleading. It turns out that over 70% of all first marriages do not end in divorce. There is a small percentage of people who get married and divorced a bunch of times who are creating the misleading statistic.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, but you do have to support the claim if you keep wanting to use the claim as a reason to deny gays the right to marry. Let me be clear. If you are not going to reasonably and rationally support your claim that "something bad will happen" to healthcare if gays are allowed to marry, then stop using that as part of your argument.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No. Constitutional rights for all people exist regardless of your "feelings" that there might be some detrimental effects. Even if you are right, and there will be some detrimental effect to you, it's just too damn bad. Your misgivings and even any actual detrimental effects do not trump the rights granted to all people under our Constitution. "Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!" - Ned Flanders "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson
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