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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I think that I am probably right about the things I think I'm right about. But I think the difference is that I am willing to consider changing anything at all about what I think is correct, given the appropriate impetus. Everyone does think they are right, but most people are unwilling to entertain any notion that they could be wrong.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Hahaha! No it isn't.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Well I know some one who was raised in some sort of hell fire guilt tripping Christian church. He has converted happily to his wife's Jewish faith. I (He?) finds it a relief from the Christia vision he was raised with. quote: Of course, any disinterested observer can actually observe the outcome of this scenario, and many others just like it, compile the data, and conclude that real doctors tend to have a much higher rate of accuracy of prognosis and treatment compared to herbalist quacks. So, the reason rational people tend to trust doctors is because of the observable results. Seems to me that you got your analogy backwards.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Everyone does think they are right, but most people are unwilling to entertain any notion that they could be wrong. quote: Everyone is unwilling to do this to some degree, of course. Not everyone has a professional scientist as a spouse and a whole lot of friends who are professional scientists who have beaten most of those tendencies out of me. So no, it's not nice being me.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, if that person is talking to me, I run what they are saying through my handy, dandy Bullshit Detector. You should really think about getting one, iano.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Hey, if the religious people want to teach their kids that modern science is all wrong and that a pre-scientific religious book from 2000 years ago is factually true, that's fine with me. But you forget that these are the same people who have been working very hard, for decades now, to get their religious view taught in US public schools. They do NOT want to keep to themselves. They want to force everyone's children to be as ignorant of modern science as their's are. From a wider perspective, it DOES impact everyone's life if a significant number of people believe that the Earth is 6000 years old and all of the other stuff that an YEC believes about nature. If these people can believe such baseless things simply because their religious instructors required it of them, then they are that much easier to manipulate and be told what to believe by political leaders, as well. Unquestioning obedience and loyalty are valued much more than critical inquiry and doubt in the YEC camp, as is amply demonstrated here. Lastly, our world is based upon education, science and technology. I do not believe it to be good for a populace to remain ignorant in such a world. We are falling behind in the US in such fields as it is, and the Dover school board case tells me that the YEC's remain determined to keep us from catching up.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What do you mean by "truth"?
quote: What is this "source" of science you speak of?
quote: I disagree. The meaning never left the music just because it has been analysed. The meaning of the music is subjective for each individual, anyway, so for some people, the music may never have had any meaning in the first place. But anyway, this is a view that is common but I have such a hard time understanding why people hold it. Why, why should the analysis of art (music, paintings, etc) have a detrimental effect upon one's appreciation of it's meaning or beauty? I have analysed music, film, painings, and drawings in a classroom setting, and this analysis has ALWAYS led to me appreciating the art that much more, because now I understood more of the process by which it was produced. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, this is incorrect. Calibration of any detector is made to a arbitrary measure, not an absolute one. My measure is a supremely useful one, invented by us humans, shown over the centuries to give light where before there was the darkness of superstition, fear, ignorance, and myth. It is the light of rational inquiry. Like I said, ian, you should really get one. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Calibration of any detector is made to a arbitrary measure, not an absolute one. quote: Yes, but only inasmuch as it is shown to to not be useful for it's intended purpose will anything in my detector need to be changed.
My measure is a supremely useful one, invented by us humans, shown over the centuries to give light where before there was the darkness of superstition, fear, ignorance, and myth. quote: You are now saying that God was invented by humans? That is truly surprising.
quote: Not as useful to them, ian. Sacrificing virgins to the volcano god was not useful for what they were hoping to accomplish, but studying volcanoes as natural phenomena is. Praying to the God for rain was not useful for what they were tring to accomplish, but breeding drought-resistant strains of crops and developing irrigation and soil-conservation technology is.
Like I said, ian, you should really get one. quote: Of course it has it's limitations. But they are far fewer than the intellect-strangling limitations of superstition and myth in the way you've depicted and preached yours here, ian. That is plain to me. And please, I am a 38 year old woman. Do not patronize me.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, thank you so very much!
quote: Not very, no.
quote: Not altered at all, actually, other than cropping out my friend Brad who has his arm around me.
quote: Again, thanks. That photograph was taken in New Orleans at a wedding in March, just a few months before hurricane Katrina, so I would have been 36 in that picture.
quote: It would have been patronizing even if I had been 10 years younger, but I'll cut you a little slack just because I'm so delighted to be mistaken for someone so young. It actually happens to me all the time. Wanna know my secrets? 1) Never smoked2) Never did drugs 3) Never tanned 4) Great marriage 5) Lots of sleep 6) Great food and wine are a priority 7) Laughing is a priority 8) No kids
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yeah, I "missed out" on tanning, smoking, and doing drugs, so now I feel and look 10 years younger than I am. Of course, because I didn't waste all of the money and time that others chose to, not only do I look 10 years younger than I am, I read a lot, saw a lot of great film, theater, and live music, traveled, learned a lot, ate a hell of a lot of amazing food, etc.etc.etc.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: How do you know it's a boast? And besides, you told me "You haven't done anything in your life" in response to my list of "secrets" for how I remain so young-looking. I provided a list of things I have done in response (as opposed to all of the things I haven't done which appeared on my list), and you call that "boasting". Whatever, robin. Go pull somebody ele's chain if that's what gets you off. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
sorry, jar, will take this to the other thread.
Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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