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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
"If anything even vaguely resembles a rocket launcher, it will be hit". somehow that translates to trucks full of hummus and antibiotics.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
One of the things mentioned in defence of Israel's tactics was that the Lebanese civilians had been forewarned of strikes, and told to leave. the first draft of the genocide conventions (and i believe the better) included forced move in it's definition.
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Amnesty International
Certain abuses committed by the Israeli army constituted crimes against humanity and war crimes, including unlawful killings; extensive and wanton destruction of property; obstruction of medical assistance and targeting of medical personnel; torture; and the use of Palestinians as “human shields”. The deliberate targeting of civilians by Palestinian armed groups constituted crimes against humanity. ... ”Human shields’ Israeli soldiers continued to use Palestinians as “human shields” during military operations, forcing them to carry out tasks that endangered their lives, despite an injunction by the Israeli High Court banning the practice. A petition against the use of “human shields” submitted by Israeli and Palestinian human rights organizations to the Supreme Court in May 2002 was still pending at the end of 2004. * In April, Israeli soldiers used 13-year-old Muhammed Badwan as a “human shield” during a demonstration in the West Bank village of Biddu. The soldiers placed the boy on the hood of their jeep and tied him to the front windscreen to discourage Palestinian demonstrators from throwing stones in their direction. Amnesty International
Amnesty International welcomes the banning, by Israel's High Court, of the use of Palestinians as "human shields" by the Israeli army. The long-awaited High Court ruling of 6 October 2005 came in response to a petition filed in May 2002 by several Israeli and Palestinian human rights organizations seeking a ban of the practice, which endangered the lives of the Palestinians who were used as "human shields" and violated international law, notably Article 51 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. In recent years, Amnesty International investigated tens of cases where the Israeli army used Palestinians, children as well as adults, as "human shields" during military operations in towns and refugee camps throughout the Occupied Territories. Palestinian civilians were forced to walk in front of Israeli soldiers who, at times, fired their weapons while shielding themselves behind the civilians. As well, Palestinian civilians were made to enter houses ahead of Israeli soldiers to check for explosives or gunmen hiding inside, to inspect suspicious objects, to stay in their houses when Israeli soldiers took them over to use as sniper positions, or to enter the houses of wanted, possibly armed, Palestinians to tell them to surrender to Israeli forces. The High Court failed to rule on the issue for three and a half years after receiving the petition calling for the practice to be outlawed. During this time, the Israeli army continued to use Palestinians as "human shields" and, in response to the petition, claimed that Palestinians were used only to perform tasks to which they agreed and which the military commander deemed safe. The army initially referred to the practice as "neighbourhood procedure" and subsequently as "prior warning procedure". they wouldn't have to ban it if it weren't being done. but we all know how well soldiers listen to bans. the uniform code of conduct in this country strictly forbits torture... and even our president doesn't care. We apologize for the inconvenience... - United States Department of State
Israeli forces used Palestinians as "human shields" in violation of applicable Israeli law. In 2002, the Israeli High Court of Justice granted an injunction against the use of Palestinians as "shields" for Israeli forces. The IDF admitted violations of existing procedures and reiterated that IDF forces "are absolutely forbidden to use civilians of any kind as a means of 'living shield' against gunfire or attack by the Palestinian side, or as 'hostages.'" However, IDF soldiers were permitted to seek consensual assistance of civilians in operations. Human rights groups asserted that Palestinians who consented often did so out of fear even if they were not coerced. Such Palestinians face the risk of being branded as collaborators. even our state department accepts that this is true. play
The Israeli army has signalled its intention to keep using Palestinian civilians as human shields in operations aimed at assassinating, arresting or kidnapping Palestinian political and resistance activists. The Israeli High Court issued a ruling earlier this week barring the army from using Palestinian civilians as human shields, a practice used heavily in the West Bank, particularly since the outbreak of the Palestinian intifada or uprising in 2000. On Tuesday, Israeli military sources said the army would press the High Court to reconsider the ruling on the ground that it would complicate "army activities" in the West Bank. The army has sought to downplay the gravity of the "human shield practice", describing it as a "generally innocuous early warning procedure". not that you'll give this source any credence... Just a moment...
B'Tselem's initial investigation indicates that, during an incursion by Israeli forces into Beit Hanun, in the northern Gaza Strip, on 17 July 2006, soldiers seized control of two buildings in the town and used residents as human shield. omg an israeli source. must just be self-hating jews. btw, here it says it wasn't just a field development based on desperate situations (as though that would make it okay.).Just a moment... The soldiers in the field did not initiate this practice; rather, the order to use civilians as a means of protection was made by senior army officials. here's a few victims
Human Shields Suspected execution of Mahmud Kmel and use of Palestianians as human shields by IDF soldiers in Raba, Jenin District, December 2004Tayil Muhammad Al-Bazur Suleiman Ahmad Muhammad Qasrawi Tulkarm Refugee Camp: IDF soldiers use Ahmad 'Asaf as a human shield, January 2004Ahmad Abd al-Qader Ahmad 'Asaf Nablus: IDF use 'Ula 'Awad, as a human shield, March, 2003'Ula Kamal Shafik 'Awad Nablus: IDF soldiers use Nabhan Najar as a human shield, December 2002Nabhan Tawfiq 'Ali Najar Hebron: IDF soldiers beat and abuse Palestinians in barbershop, December 2002Wa'il Mahmoud Muhammad Abu Rumeileh Bilal Ma'adi Daud a-Rajbi Bassem Yasser Khalf Maswadeh Muhammad Jibril Jamil a-Rajbi Jenin: IDF soldiers use Khaled Kamil as a human shield, November 2002Khaled Ibrahim Muhammad Kamil IDF uses Husam Subuh and Tawfiq Salah as human shields, September 2002Husam Salim Ahmad Ahmad Subuh Tawfiq Zaqi Yusef Salah IDF use Palestinian man, Mahmud Abu 'Arara, as a human shield, September 2002Mahmoud Narmi Hamed Abu 'Arara Jenin District: IDF use Shaf'a Ghanem, as a human shield, September 2002Shaf'a Mahmud Shaf'a Ghanem IDF use Samir Abu 'Amra and Ahmad Abu 'Amra as human shields, August 2002Samir Muhammad Hmeidan Abu Amra and here's a general list of this year's abuses.
2006 Israeli Soldiers Use Palestinians as Human Shields during Incursion into Beit Hanun, July 2006Hazem 'Othman Qassem 'Ali Laila Shqeirat attempts to conduct normal life routine while leaving in the besieged village of a-Sheikh Sa'ed, June 2006Lila 'Abd al-Musa Shqeirat Border Police beat bus driver Fadel 'Alan at when he brought disabled children home to a-Sheikh Sa'ed, May 2006Fadel Muhammad 'Abdallah 'Alan 64 year-old resident of a-Sheikh Sa'ed with chest pains forced to walk two hours to reach the hospitalAhmad Muhammad Mashur al-Mashahareh Border Police officer beats Ra'id Fatafteh at checkpoint, injuring him, Hebron, May 2006Ra'id Mahmoud 'Abd a-Salam Fatafteh IDF soldiers beat two press photographers in Hebron, April 2006Nayef Diab 'Abd al-Hafiz al-Hashlamouni IDF shells inhabited area in Beit Lahiya, hits house, wounding four persons, 4 April 2006Yusef Ahmad Salama Abu Shmas Mustafa Ahmad Salama Abu Shmas IDF soldiers shoot youth to death in the Qalandia refugee camp, Ramallah District, April 2006Nader Naji Muhammad 'Othman Soldiers fire at Palestinians sneaking into Israel to work, severely wounding one of them, Deir Ballut, April 2006Maher Muhammad 'Abed al-Hamid Shaqarneh Khaled Ahmad Muhammad Fanun Settlers assault Palestinian shepherds sleeping in tents in the southern Hebron hills, 26 March 2006'Aziz Musa Muhammad Shnaran 'Abd a-Rahman Musa Muhammad Shnaran IDF soldiers shoot 7 year-old to death in al-Yamun, Jenin district, March 2006Kamal 'Izzat Taher Zaid Soldiers humiliated Palestinian detainees during IDF assault on Jericho Prison, March 2006Fadi Fathi Yusef Abu Tabikh Settlers beat Jamal a-Nawaj'a and throw stones at his mother and wife, in Susiya, March 2006Jamal Isma'il a-Nawaj'ah Samiha 'Ikab a-Nawaj'ah 'Alia Khamis a-Nawaj'ah Plain Clothed Police beat two children in Abu Tor, East Jerusalem, 12 March 2006Hamza Fawzi Musa 'Ewidah IDF soldiers beat 7 Palestinian youths, 5 of them minors, Hebron area, March 2006Tamer Yusef Muhammad 'Amru Muhammad Maher Muhammad 'Abido Soldiers disrupt work in charcoal factory near Jenin, February 2006Muhammad Ahmad Ibrahim 'Abadi IDF soldiers beat Palestinan youths at a checkpoint near the al-Fawwar refugee camp, February 2006'Alaa Nafez 'Abd al-Majid Hilkawi Alaa Khader Muhammad al-Ma'iwi Soldiers confiscate identity card of Palestinian for remaining in the Jordan Valley without a permit, February 2006Ra'id Hassan Muhammad Sawaftah Border Police fire stun grenade at child, wounding him in the head, Shu'afat refugee camp, East Jerusalem, February. 2006Ahmad Muhammad 'Isma'il al-'Amleh Ibrahim Isma'il Muhammad al-'Amleh IDF soldiers beat Faris 'Awidat while detaining him, 2 February 2006Fares Kamel Salem 'Aweidat Palestinian mother prevented from visiting her married daughter in the Jordan Valley, January 2006Ni'meh 'Ali Salameh Abu Zaharah IDF soldiers beat 17-year-old at a surprise checkpoint, January 2006Jihad Mustafa Khaled Harzalla and here's a list of publications.Just a moment... Human Shields Soldiers' Abuse of Palestinians in HebronCase Study No. 17, December 2002 View summary Download the report: DOC, Zipped RTF, PDF Human Shield: Use of Palestinian Civilians as Human Shields in Violation of the High Court of Justice Order December 2003Information Sheet, November 2002 View summary Download the report: DOC, RTF, PDF Operation Defensive Shield: Soldiers' Testimonies, Palestinian TestimoniesJournal, September 2002 Download the report: PDF here's a few more random linksBBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel faces human shield claim http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2331
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
i think the hamas government is making great efforts. however, as long as the us and israel proclaim it a false government and refuse to talk to them or send aid, they will be able to accomplish nothing and will eventually probably fall. and then palestine will be without a government once again and with all the more reason to fight. if we do not honor their attempts at government and peace, then we are at fault. we must try. we haven't even given this government the chance to change things. they came into power and we cut off all aid and communication and then israel started bombing again. they try to make a government and we dash it all up.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
muslims states are no more unified than christians ones. that's a myth invented by fundies on either side about the ever-advancing and terrifying army and politik of allah. it's crap. all nations seek their own interests. helping palestine doesn't seem to be involved in anyones selfish goals.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
the saudis put an anti-violence rider on something? i think not.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
why? to end international scrutiny. and you know what happens without international scrutiny?
i'm thinking of a phrase that begins with 'crimes' and ends with 'against humanity'. if i had my real computer with all my sources, i'd start writing a paper on the potentially impending genocide. i've already written one paper analyzing and applying the process... i suppose now is the time for the next. i just really thought i'd have more time. *edit*i found a copy of my paper on my journal. here's what i was referring to.. The literature suggests that there is a consistent set of predictive factors that are common to states in which genocides occur. These countries tend to follow this model: a non-democratic government that demonstrates a pattern of discriminatory and exclusionary policy, a “history of... violent ethnic conflict," and a strong foreign ally that helps shield the country from international pressures. “More proximately, an ethnic rebellion has started or a war. The dominant group”the future genocide perpetrators who control the state”engages in a massive hate and fear propaganda campaign in the media in which the future victims are dehumanized, demonized, and targeted. The dominant group organizes paramilitary militias; with the help of the army, it arms, trains, and indoctrinates militia members for killing the target group. These are the most common and most visible indicators of early warning." non-democratic government?no not really. but somehow i just don't see that being a problem. patterns of descriminatory and exclusionary policy?haha, yeah. strong foreign ally to sheild from international pressures?that would be us. ethnic rebellion or war?yes. massive hate and fear propaganda?yes. paramilitary militias?i don't think they need to. the idf is sufficient. but who knows. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
they just make this stuff up don't they?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
of course the sources you agree with are accurate
i, however, am interested in your call for the annihilation of a group based solely on their personal convictions. clearly that is the only difference between they who shell a nation of civilians and the israelis who are shelling a nation of civilians. of course, i'm under the bizarre impression that we revere freedom of thought. what a damned fool i am, eh? Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
you mistook what i said, as usual. i'm not suggesting that they be treated like ladies at a tea party. but to go out with the intent of killing them all with impunity is disgusting.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
And what's wrong with killing murderous criminals anyway? i value human life and i believe that my god demanded that vengence be his reserved choice. it is not my place to support the killing of any living person for any reason with the possible exception of IMMEDIATE self defence which does not include countries.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
You'd think that those people over there would have noticed the downward spiral by now, but no. you'd think that jews would know how dangerous it is to demonize an entire group of people based on some conspiracy theory... god forbid anyone learn a lesson ever. whole lot of morons.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
after all, it is catastrophic judgement from god.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Executing criminals when necessary is a righteous act and it serves to promote peace in the world. and after thousands of years of executing prisoners, where exactly is our peace? you have a bizarre and distorted version of peace. didn't your god say to turn the cheek?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
finally decided to retaliate? israel has been shelling varios "terrorist organizations" for 50 years. what are you smoking?
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