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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Sixty years ago, the King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed by Irgun 'terrorists' led by Begin, reputedly on orders from Haganah. 91 people of various races were killed.
The Stern gang kidnapped and killed two British soldiers. Apparently, the legitimacy of your actions depends on whether you achieve power in government. Maybe there`s hope for Hamas yet.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
I know, Arach, but their image hasn`t changed---------yet.
Maybe it takes a decade to reach the moral high ground? Edited by Nighttrain, : Added an afterthought
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Hi, Bren. Palestine might have had a chance to live a near-normal (if dis-possessed) life if the great Arab unity as spouted by propagandists really existed. The Saudis have dumped a reported $70 billion into American institutions over the last three decades. With the massive windfall that has come from raised oil prices, you would think the Muslim world could find it easy to help out their little brother. Instead, they reject any attempt to normalise relations, keeping the Israel pot on the boil, and the Palestinians are reduced to living in camps and on handouts.Not a great advertisement for the unity of Islam.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Oops, the irony of life. The Saudis just announced a $250million donation to the Palestinians. Still, a drop in the bucket compared with what might be needed. Wonder if they put a rider on the advance--no missiles, no explosives?
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Israel is simply doing the work the UN was suppose to have been doing a long time ago and instead the UN ignored their own resolution/law concerning Hezbollah, i.e. Resolution 1559 which as to disarm Hezbollah. Resolutions breached by Israel: Resolution 106: "... 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people" Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem" Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions" Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria" Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control" Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees" Resolution 242: "..."affirms" need for Israel to withdraw from illegally occupied territory Resolution 248: "... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan" Resolution 250: "... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem" Resolution 251: "... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250" Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital" Resolution 256: "... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation"" Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation" Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport" Resolution 265: "... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan" Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem" Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon" Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem" Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon" Resolution 280: "....'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon" Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon" Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem" Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon" Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon" Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon" Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon" Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty" Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon" Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon" Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon' Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces" Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention" Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon" Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories" Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program" Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon" Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return" Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians" Resolution 471: "... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention" Resolution 476: "... 'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'" Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'" Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors" Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility" Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith" Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon" Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops" Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon" Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in" Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon" Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon" Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut" Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw" Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops" Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians" Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return. etc., etc., etc. http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/30481 Edited by Nighttrain, : Added source
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Yes, the list of UN's shame, their biased decisions against the party acting in self defense. No, Faith, as per usual, you have all back to front. The Palestinians were dispossessed. They are the party acting in self-defence. Try doing a little research instead of lapping up propaganda. Read a little of ben Gurion`s attitudes towards the land-holders.
"Palestine is not an empty country . . . on no account must we injure the rights of the inhabitants." Ben-Gurion often returned to this point, emphasizing that Palestinian Arabs had "the full right" to an independent economic, cultural, and communal life, but not political. (Shabtai Teveth, p. 37-38) "We do not recognize the right of the [Palestinian] Arabs to rule the country, since Palestine is still undeveloped and awaits its builders." In 1928 he pronounced that "the [Palestinian] Arabs have no right to close the country to us [Jews]. What right do they have to the Negev desert, which is uninhabited?"; and in 1930, "The [Palestinian] Arabs have no right to the Jordan river, and no right to prevent the construction of a power plant [by a Jewish concern]. They have a right only to that which they have created and to their homes." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 38) "Everybody sees the problem in the relations between the Jews and the [Palestinian] Arabs. But not everybody sees that there's no solution to it. There is no solution! . . . The conflict between the interests of the Jews and the interests of the [Palestinian] Arabs in Palestine cannot be resolved by sophisms. I don't know any Arabs who would agree to Palestine being ours---even if we learn Arabic . . .and I have no need to learn Arabic. On the other hand, I don't see why 'Mustafa' should learn Hebrew. . . . There's a national question here. We want the country to be ours. The Arabs want the country to be theirs." (One Palestine Complete, p. 116) "The world will not permit the Jewish people to seize the state as a spoil, by force." Second the Jewish people did not have the means to do so. And third and most important, it would be immoral, and the Jews of the world would never by this immoral cause. "We would then be unable to awaken the necessary forces for building the country among thousands of young people. We would not be able to secure necessary means from the Jewish people, and the moral and the political sustenance of the enlightened world. . . . Our conscience must be clean . . . and so we must endorse the premise in relation to the [Palestinian] Arabs: The [Palestinian] Arabs have full rights as citizens of the country, but they do not have the right of ownership over it." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 97) ". . . they [referring to Palestinians] showed new power and remarkable discipline. Many of them were killed . . . this time not murderers and rioters, but political demonstrators. Despite the tremendous unrest, the order not to harm Jews was obeyed. This shows exceptional political discipline. There is no doubt that these events will leave a profound imprint on the [Palestinian] Arab movement. This time we have seen a political movement which must evoke the respect of the world. (Shabtai Teveth, p. 126) "The Arab community in Palestine is an organic, inseparable part of the landscape. It is embedded in the country. The [Palestinian] Arabs work the land, and will remain." Ben-Gurion even held that the Palestinian Arabs had full rights in Palestine, "since the only right by which a people can claim to possess a land indefinitely is the right conferred by willingness to work." They had the same opportunity to establish that right as the Zionists did. (Shabtai Teveth, p. 5-6) David Ben-Gurion-A Brief Biography & Quotes - Palestine Remembered More in the same vein there if you want it. Notice further on how attitudes changed, but the underlying belief of the migrating Jews was that it was Palestinian country first. BTW, Shabtai Teveth was an official biographer.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
I wonder if we will ever see the day when citizens such as Israelis or Lebanese can initiate a class-action suit in the World Court against those who have destroyed their families and properties. Surely every country has enough assets overseas to be frozen as compensation. Oh, look, there goes another porker flying overhead.
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