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The Tiger Inactive Member |
What fossil aevidence? You mean a complete lack of transition forms? How aqbout the fact that all but one or two of the "primitive man" fossils were proven to be frauds.
Anyway, by creation, I don't at all believe in a young earth, I don't take genesis to be literal azt all really. I think the idea with that is to teach people important truths about life. I pretty much believe in evolution within a species but not from one to another. There is no hard evidence that I know of, for that, htough correct me if I'm wrong. There are also no observed example's of that sort of evolution happening in real time.WE know macro evolution just doesn't account for it without divine guidence, and micro evolution is pretty weak theory. Again correct me if I'm wrong.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
The Tiger writes: ...correct me if I'm wrong. You're wrong. But this thread is not about correcting your many, many, many misconceptions about evolution. It's about whether or not creation and evolution should be taught in school. From your post, it seems clear that evolution should be taught in school - if only to counter the nonsensical ideas which you have gotten from creationist websites. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
What fossil aevidence? You mean a complete lack of transition forms? I'm afraid someone has been lying to you. There are many examples of intermediate forms in the fossil record. Here are some examples of intermediate forms between vertebrate classes And this is exactly the point I'm making. You can't expect a teacher to stand up and lie to the children and say "there are no intermediate forms", when the next day she's going to have to teach about them. You can say that with a clear conscience, 'cos you don't know that you're wrong. But someone with actual knowledge of the subject could not.
How aqbout the fact that all but one or two of the "primitive man" fossils were proven to be frauds. Again, someone has been lying to you. One supposed fossil, "Piltdown Man" was proven to be a hoax. No other hominid fossil, and there are many, has been found to be the result of fraud, and I know of only one case where a fossil was found to be accidentally misidentified as hominid. Again, you make my point beautifully. A teacher cannot be expected to recite this lie about "all but one or two of the "primitive man" fossils were proven to be frauds" and then the next day show the children dozens of non-fraudulent hominids. You can, 'cos you have no actual knowledge of hominid fossils. But a science teacher would.
I pretty much believe in evolution within a species but not from one to another. There is no hard evidence that I know of, for that, htough correct me if I'm wrong. There are also no observed example's of that sort of evolution happening in real time. WE know macro evolution just doesn't account for it without divine guidence, and micro evolution is pretty weak theory. Again correct me if I'm wrong. Again, you have been misinformed. No only are there many such examples, but as you will see in the link, some creationist groups such as AiG admit it. Now, do you begin to see why it would have been a good idea if you had spent more time learning about science?
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4139 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
I sgree with Ringo, if this is the kind of tripe people are hearing about evolution, then we do need to teach it
i mean come on "macro-evolution" takes long periods of time of course we can't see it in real-time if we wanted to we would have to find someway to become immortal. now we have found animals and reclassified them..but not in real time
WE know macro evolution just doesn't account for it without divine guidence, and micro evolution is pretty weak theory. Again correct me if I'm wrong.
this assuption is just wrong, if we agreed that some god made the animals we wouldn't be having this debate, there wouldn't be any point to it.
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kalimero Member (Idle past 2473 days) Posts: 251 From: Israel Joined: |
I think we are not doing enough in the way of explaining evolution:
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The Tiger Inactive Member |
Well heck, now I don't know what think. I guess I have been misinformed-maybe-Ii don't know. I'm at least trying to leanr and expand my knowledge and find the truth.
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The Tiger Inactive Member |
Fair enough. I need to clarify, I take much of the bible to be symbolic and metaphorical, with the goal of making the principles and teachings simple to understand, not word for word records of histrory (except in some cases). I do take a few things literal (like the deity of christ) but much of it, mainly the beginnings of genesis and a few other parts, I take to be symbolic. Has anyone read any of Gerald Shroeders work? The Jewish physicist.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
The Tiger writes: I guess I have been misinformed-maybe-Ii don't know. I'm at least trying to leanr and expand my knowledge and find the truth. Good attitude.
Has anyone read any of Gerald Shroeders work? The Jewish physicist. If I'm not mistaken, one of our members named GDR has mentioned Shroeder. You might want to check out some of his posts. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
A bit old, but wth.
Fromhttp://www.afa.net/clp/ReleaseDetail.asp?id=102 For Immediate Release: 8/19/2005 Chicago, IL - A federal court of appeals has ruled in favor of an inmate who claimed that Wisconsin prison officials violated his rights under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment because they refused to allow him to create a study group for atheists. The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that prison officials erred because they “did not treat atheism as a ”religion.’” “Atheism,” said the court, “is [the inmate’s] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being.” Brian Fahling, senior trial attorney for the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy, described the court’s ruling as “a sort of Alice in Wonderland jurisprudence.” “Up is down, and atheism, the antithesis of religion, is religion,” stated Fahling. The Supreme Court has said that a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being. In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the Court described “secular humanism” as a religion. Fahling pointed to today’s ruling as “further evidence of the incoherence Establishment Clause jurisprudence.” “It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts,” continued Fahling, “when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited.” Woohoo, now we can apply to teach atheism/secular humanism and its kissing cousin,TOE, in theology classes.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4144 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
I have no problem with teaching creationism in schools. I merely request that they teach creationism, from the mayan to the Native Americans, to the Chinese to the Christian versions of it. Creation stories from around the world, of different cultures.
But there's a reason why ID and Orthodox Creationists vehemently do not want this to happen.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Woohoo, now we can apply to teach atheism/secular humanism and its kissing cousin,TOE, in theology classes. Hey, when you manage to fool a judge with your fatuous pretence that the theory of evolution has religious content, let us know. The fact that you have managed to fool yourself impresses no-one.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Diappointing, Dr. A. And here I thought you were more---um--perspicacious
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
It looks like creationist rhetoric 101. If your intention was to be ironic, fair 'nough. Perspicacious I may be, but even I can't tell the difference between parodies of fundamentalism and the real thing. Remember --- we live in a world containing Kent Hovind. Need I say more?
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Peace,bro.
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