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CK writes: A man entered a gunshop and pointed a gun to the owner's head, he then told the assistant to load a pistol and shoot him dead - if she did not, he would kill the owner. Would you have done? That would depend on the boss. The option would remain open. 
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
RAZD writes: But everything is also a choice: I used to teach kids to canoe, and one of the lessons\concepts I used was that everytime the paddle was in the water they were steering the canoe. It didn't matter if they were in the bow or the stern, whether they were consciously trying to steer or not, just by being in the canoe with a blade in the water they were affecting the course of the canoe. The existentialist canoeing instructor.  That is one of the great contributions of existentialist thought to Western philosophy: choice is inescapable. Even if you do nothing, that is a choice. Another is that who you are is only determined after all your choices are made: existence precedes essence, but our essence is only completely defined when our existence ends. But you must choose. As Dante understood, long before philosophers codified the notion, we are what we have done. Years ago, my youngest son played center for his Pop Warner football team. He, like me, was physically precocious and had reached his adult size by age 12. The team was fortunate to have a gifted quarterback and running back who were similarly precocious and athletically gifted. They went undefeated and were soon positioned to play for the regional championship. Due to his height and not his heft, he always struggled to keep his weight within league limits, and, in the days leading up to the game, I cautioned him against over-indulging. He didn't listen. The day of the game, he was disqualified due to weight. They played hard--but without him they were not the same team, and they lost by a touchdown. On the way home, after long, quiet miles, he turned to me and said, "I'll always be the guy that let the team down." "Yeah," I replied, "you will." "But it's up to you to decide what that means. You don't have to be the guy that always lets the team down. Everybody makes mistakes; everybody lets the team down. But not everybody learns from that mistake. You can be the guy that learned never to let the team down." God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ”Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’ --Ann Coulter, Fox-TV: Hannity & Colmes, 20 Jun 01 Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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Richie Havens writes:
Freedom!Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Jar, I caught JJ midway between the festival and the end. She was just a wee bit--what a shock to hear that huge voice tearing itself out of her. I remember she wept when she sang. God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ”Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’ --Ann Coulter, Fox-TV: Hannity & Colmes, 20 Jun 01 Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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and here I am just wishing I had been born about twenty years earlier to see zeppelin live. Then you'd be old. LZ was better in the studio. The Who, however, were wildly better live than recorded. Same contrast between Doors and Hendrix: Doors sounded like a garage band live (not that there's anything wrong with that ), while Hendrix was sublime.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Sartre does not realize that when one fights and kills other human beings for any reason, they are being treated as means. This decison could have been made a priori though obviously not fully a priori because aposteriori or imperical(experience) knowledge precedes a priori knowledge. Sartre harbored misunderstandings of the christian doctrine and of Kantian ethics itself, or at least the reality of war and the tragedy that it is BECAUSE men are not being treated as human beings but as means. Sarte was an extremely subtle thinker: what he had that you lack was a sense of the full weight of French history. Your understanding of Christian doctrine and Kantian ethics could theoretically surpass his, but I'll put my money on Sarte. It seems appropriate to me that song has become a large part of this thread. In light of that, here's a couple from Buffy Ste. Marie. She wrote Universal Soldier and rearranged The Partisan. As a Lakota, she has a unique perspective on both the horror of war and the necessary tragedy of self-defense.
UNIVERSAL SOLDIER Buffy Sainte-Marie © Caleb Music-ASCAP He's five feet two and he's six feet fourHe fights with missiles and with spears He's all of 31 and he's only 17 He's been a soldier for a thousand years He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an atheist, a Jain,a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew and he knows he shouldn't kill and he knows he always will kill you for me my friend and me for you And he's fighting for Canada,he's fighting for France, he's fighting for the USA, and he's fighting for the Russians and he's fighting for Japan, and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way And he's fighting for Democracyand fighting for the Reds He says it's for the peace of all He's the one who must decide who's to live and who's to die and he never sees the writing on the walls But without him how would Hitler havecondemned him at Dachau Without him Caesar would have stood alone He's the one who gives his body as a weapon to a war and without him all this killing can't go on He's the universal soldier and hereally is to blame His orders come from far away no more They come from him, and you, and me and brothers can't you see this is not the way we put an end to war. Seems clear, eh? But...
The Partisan (by Anna Marly/Hy Zaret) (as arranged by Buffy Ste. Marie) (lone whistled intro) When they poured across the borderI was cautioned to surrender, this I could not do; I took my gun and vanished. I have changed my name so often,I've lost my man and children but I have many friends. Some of them are with me now. An old woman gave us shelter,kept us hidden in the cellar, then the soldiers came; she died without a whisper, oh oh ohhhh. There were three of us this morningI'm the only one this evening but I must go on; the frontiers are my prison walls. Oh, the wind, the wind is blowing,through the graves the wind is blowing, freedom soon will come; then we'll come from the shadows. (whistle reprised, fade) Nothing is simple. God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ”Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’ --Ann Coulter, Fox-TV: Hannity & Colmes, 20 Jun 01 Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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My critique it written well enough for a layperson like yourself to understand. Question is,what exactly is untrue of my defense? Break it apart. I care not for this trivial chatter. I capitalized One for emphasis and I did not capitalize French for I felt it was not to be capitalized alongside Kantian and Christian. This comment does not matter however, and I should not offer a defense against such weak criticism.  Thank you for the further illumination of your reply. I especially like the swirled-cape theatrics of "I care not..." Maybe you could peddle your unearned intellectual arrogance to some grade school cheerleaders, but it won't sell here. You poisoned the well of this thread with your presumption and pretension. Print this thread. Read it to a mirror in 20 years, and watch your face bloom. God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ”Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’ --Ann Coulter, Fox-TV: Hannity & Colmes, 20 Jun 01 Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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Just for the record: MOO and I have had a nice live chat about the dialectic between youth and age, and we're cool with it.
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