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Christian7 Member (Idle past 278 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
But if God already knows who is saved and who is not, there is no "drawing people to Christ". That's one of those decisions that's outside our capabilities, according to you. How can we decide to accept Christ if God already knows we're not going to? What can the Holy Spirit do to "undo" what God already knows? If there was no Holy Spirit, then what God knows would change, because there would be no initial invitation to accept Christ, therefore no acceptance of Christ. So you see, the Holy Spirit is neccessary in order for someone to be saved regardless of God's forknowledge.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 278 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
Is that true? I've already answered your question. I assumed you were going to argue the statement implies we have no free will, so I responded to that argument ahead of time. So YES, that IS what I said. If you are going to argue we have no free will, refer to my other post which answered that fallacy already.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 278 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
That makes no sense whatsoever. God already knows who is going to accept and who is not. So why would the Holy Spirit bother "inviting" somebody who is never going to accept? I know I'm never going to walk on the moon. Why would I buy a space suit? 1. Why do you eat a cake when you already know what it is going to taste like? (Assuming you've eaten one before.)2. Why do you take a swim when you already know what it is going to feel like? (Assuming you've swam before.) 3. Why do you watch the same episode of a television program when you've already seen it before. 4. Why do you keep asking me the same question when you already know what my answer is going to be? 5. Why do people play chess with their seven year old children when they know they are going to win? 6. Why do I keep debating with you when I already know you are never going to change your mind. The answer to all these questions is: For the hell of it. Because it's fun. Because it's exciting. Because it gives life a fucking point. The same is true with God. He does everything to manifest his glory. He does it to demonstrate his awesome power to us, and his awesome mercey. This question HAS BEEN ANSWERED!
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 278 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
Now let us move one step further. You have agreed that "Naturally, we cannot accomplish what God has restricted us from accomplishing." Does God know what we will do? Well, of course. And this basically proves nothing. So go ahead.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 278 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
The Holy Spirit invites people to accept Christ even though God knows they never will. How does that demonstrate anything, let alone God's power? It demonstrates that God has given them a fair chance. It doesn't matter that God created them knowing they would reject him, because it is still their choice. So it IS fair. Why not just accept him? It's that simple. You don't have the book of life in your hand where your name possibly could have been blotted out. So at anytime you could freely chose to accept him.
If God wanted to demonstrate His power, why wouldn't He save everybody, whether they accept Him or not? If He wanted to demonstrate His mercy, why wouldn't He save everybody, whether they accept Him or not? Because part of God demonstrating who he is is saying, "You were wrong when you said I didn't exist. You were wrong when you said I didn't create the universe. You were wrong to live in sin without my forgiveness. Now you have what you have chosen." Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 278 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
Did God create all that is, seen and unseen? God created everything, but he did not define our character. He simply let it be as it is, so that we could have true free will.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 278 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
# God knows what we will do. # we can do nothing that God has restricted us from doing. # God created everything. # Everything includes everyone. Of course.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 278 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
How do you know I "can"? Only God knows if I will. I know if you will too. And the answer is you most probably never will. But that doesn't mean you can't. You have the free will to, but the fact is, you simply won't use it. You see, that's where the trouble is. Athiests cannot disceren can from will. It could be said about a person that they won't do their homework, but that doesn't mean they can't. You see what I am saying? The same is true in regards to free will.
Whom is God demonstrating to? Us? (Who else is there?) If so, He has to demonstrate in a way that makes sense to us. Frying people for eternity doesn't demonstrate "mercy" to us. It demonstrates cruelty, capriciousness.... Your concept of omniscience doesn't paint a very nice picture of God. In the afterlife everyone will understand, whether they are in heaven or in hell. And God is also showing off to the angels. Yes, it's true. God does things just to show off. When God took up Elijah (or Elisha, I forget which) he really wen't under the ground into paradise. So that whole rapture thing was for a show. Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given. Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given. Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given. Edited by iBibleNano, : Just to note: After Jesus was crucified he wen't under the ground and took paradise up to heaven with him.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 278 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
Are there atheists? Just get to the fucking point.
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