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Uh, no. I think you will have to look pretty hard to even find anything close to that.First I would say that the term "anointed of God" may be great in some hymnal but other than that is pretty meaningless.Second, what I said is that all who call themselves Christian become representatives of Christianity. Hell no. I think the expose our imperfections to other Christians is mostly Fundamentalist, Evangelical and Pentecostal braggadocio.What we need to do is speak out and condemn the Televangelists who promote YEC, bigotry, hate and exclusion. If we are not speaking out against the End Timers, the Defense of Marriage folk, the ID or YEC proselytizers, the 700 Club and Trinity Broadcasting and Sky Angel and all the rest of the Cult of Ignorance, then we are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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What exactly is this Cult of Ignorance?

Is it the ones who believe in a literal Virgin Birth?

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Is it the ones who believe that not all are saved?

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Is it not true that condemning the beliefs of others makes you also guilty? Do you actually think you behave better than they do in every area of your life?

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I realize that you are condemning behaviors and not necessarily beliefs, per se. But I wonder about this Cult Of Ignorance assertion. You seem to have a disdain for the Pentecostals.

Nah. Both of those are totally unimportant and personal.It is those who oppose really learning science and what the REALITY of the universe teaches us. It is those who would discriminate against homosexuals by denying them basic human rights. Guilty of what? You do realize that behaving better than the average Televangelist is not really a difficult or great accomplishment? Well not just Pentecostals but much of the Evangelical, Charismatic and Fundamentalist movements as well. Also I think disdain is far to weak a word, abject pity or disgust would likely be better.

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Do you have no qualms about generalizing? I mean, don't you have any Pentacostal friends? Or Charismatic friends? or..or..Evangelical friends? And IF not, was it your fault for not reaching out and attempting to reason with them? Or is it their fault for not accepting you as a fellow Christian and seeking to understand you?

You are friends with individuals, not with movements.

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One of my cousins is married to the son of a Nazi general.Do I think less of her for that? Or him?Is it "over-generalizing" to say that Nazis make Germany look bad?

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Yes, I am on board with that, and your view of the whole thing is 100% realistic. You probably do not have a prejudive bone in ya.I am not really disagreeing with jar's outlook on the whole thing, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who claim to be in the "know".

But not everyone who says Lord Lord will go to heaven, or something like that.

You and I both know that the second I mention the word Christ, or something biblical, immediatly I am a fundie, blah blah blah.The truth is, they are hypocrites.
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So when I mention Christ or something Biblical I am Fundy?Sorry but that defense doesn't wash either.

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Perhpas that is why I have only witnessed battles at EVC and no conversions (by anyone).Unless you are only giving credit to those of you with animated Avatars...

All depends on who is doing the looking. I prefer to look at the countless saints who have done everything in their power to be great examples of christianity. I look at Mother Teresa, Miguel Pro, Damien De Veuster, Maximillian Kolbe. I find saints even in our midst. Don't sell out a proud heritage over a few rotten apples. What is visible is not what is important. It is the humble, unrecognized acts which make the person.

Forget Germany. Do Nazis make Germans look bad? I hope not. And I also hope Hovind and such don't make Christians look bad. Chrisitanity is no more real than its members, and a christian should be judged as individually as a German. Better yet, not judged at all.

I have been friends with atheists, satanists, Wiccans, gays, drug addicts, prostitutes, you name it. The people who have most rejected me in life were fellow christians. Do I judge christianity? Of course not, because I am christian.

On the contrary, it is the visible manifestations of Christianity that do get noticed. Unless you are intimately familiar with the actions of the folks that are doing good work, those of us who are non-Christians are constantly bombarded with negative examples. How many people have even heard of the Silesian Missions, for instance? With the exception of a couple of screw-ups (about par for development organizations), these folks have quietly been going about doing excellent work in remote areas in anti-trafficking in persons, skills and capacity building, poverty alleviation, etc, among the poorest of the poor in the developing world - all without demanding that the people they help also buy a bible?What we DO see and hear are people like the Catholic Archbishop of South Africa who not only demanded that contraception be banned as a sin (in a region where inept, corrupt or otherwise marginal governments are facing an impossible population vs resource crisis), but proclaimed loudly that HIV was not only not a disease, but was in fact the Will of God. We're supposed to take what away from that?When Christians squash the evil done in the name of Christianity - or at least loudly denounce the practitioners - then maybe you'll have a case. In the meantime, fairly or unfairly, y'all are going to be tarred with the same brush. That's how it works.