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Welcome to the fray EpicThought
I don't believe in any theory I have seen on macro evolution.
Please define "macro"evolution - so we can be sure we are (a) talking about evolution and (b) we are talking about the same thing.
Also define "micro"evolution just to be sure we are talking about something different.
It should be easy eh?.
believe that evolution should be taught in schools (along with ID)
What facts can you teach about ID?
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Message 24 of 105 (384962)
02-13-2007 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by bluegenes
In evolution, the idea that our ancestors may have learned to walk upright in the water while living and hunting/fishing around marshland, rivers or lakes, for example. There's no real evidence for it, other than that we are the most aquatic of the apes, but it's a good idea,...
There are several problems with the "aquatic ape" theory, some of which I have discussed on
Sexual Selection, Stasis, Runaway Selection, Dimorphism, & Human Evolution at
Message 65 . This is also discussed at Wikipedia article on hair:
Hair - Wikipedia
quote:
See also
Aquatic ape hypothesis - Wikipedia and the section on
Objections_to_Aquatic_Ape_Hypothesis
Note also the reply from EZscience at
Message 67 regarding pigs being bare and not sweating, instead using wallowing in mud to compensate. I would think this would apply to an aquatic ape as well eh?
But at least it is a theory that attempts to explain existing evidence and make some predictions.
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By this definition, "macro"evolution has occurred.
see
MACROevolution vs MICROevolution - what is it? link now updated
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ID fact and fantasy
what facts can you teach about ID?
At first I thought of listing all the facts (from my knowledge and veiws at least) one by one.
Nator (
Message 21 ) has asked for one or two. I'll settle for just one.
I will insist that it qualify as a fact by these definitions:
No webpage found at provided URL: fact -noun Scientists gather facts about plant growth .
This is the standard for scientific facts used to derive theory and to test theory.
Perhaps you should select your best fact first. And be prepared to support it.
If you choose to contemplate "irreducible complexity" or "information loss" then you should reply to their refutation at
Irreducible Complexity, Information Loss and Barry Hall's experiments rather than tie up this thread.
But this would do nothing but duplicate the point for the entire forum. And more importantly it really doesn't answer the question.
Or this is just a dodge to actually presenting a single "fact" eh? It's a usual ploy of cons and frauds ...
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Message 29 of 105 (385003)
02-13-2007 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by bluegenes
Which is why I'd like to see an I.D. advocate reply to Nator's request in post 21 above.
Don't hold your (possibly aquatic ape acquired ability) breath ....
at least for any real facts.
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Message 31 of 105 (412322)
07-24-2007 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Aaron SF
Re: useless.
Welcome to the fray Aaron
... only someone who thought all biology was equally useless would consider it an important subject to cover.
Or someone who wants YOU to believe it is equally useless. See the wedge document:
Wedge strategy - Wikipedia
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Message 44 of 105 (436940)
11-28-2007 7:53 AM
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Message 83 of 105 (437627)
11-30-2007 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by dwise1
Re: Empiricism
What I'm basically saying is that by briefly discussing ID, it would be an opportunity to cover some concepts with the class. Basically a "here's why these statements are wrong".
So no concept is entirely useless ... it can always serve as a bad example
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