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Author Topic:   Get Over Your Fear of Atheism
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Message 104 of 169 (394426)
04-11-2007 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by mpb1
04-01-2007 7:54 PM


Re: That's not good
where does it say that? that we will be judged by the amount of light we have? i've never heard that. please show more than one source.

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Message 105 of 169 (394429)
04-11-2007 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by crashfrog
04-03-2007 12:58 AM


Re: Several Key Points
Actually I can, as it turns out. Our beliefs are qualitatively different. And you can't exactly say that America is a hostile environment for Christians, you know.
maybe not, but you sure are (a hostile environment).
This doesn't make any sense. To claim that God exists is to make an objective, verifiable claim. It's incoherent to suggest that God is nonexistent for me but exists for you. One or the other of us must be mistaken; there's no way we can both be right. We live in the same universe, after all. Either God exists or he doesn't, for both of us.
yes, but your claim to this ultimate knowledge is baseless. there's no reason why you should have this ultimate knowledge when someone else doesn't. you can't generalize your assumptions any more than a christian can.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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Message 106 of 169 (394430)
04-11-2007 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Larni
04-03-2007 3:41 AM


Re: Science and Faith in Harmony
So how is xianity different from any other religion?
it is only different based on theology. but even that isn't consistent.
You are quite happy to be an atheist about the myriad other religions out there.
not necessarily. i call myself a christian because i think it's ridiculous to change my title just because how i name what i've known all along has changed. reality hasn't changed, only my set of definitions.
i'm tired of this argument. i just had to say something about it.

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Message 107 of 169 (394433)
04-11-2007 12:21 PM
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04-03-2007 7:32 PM


Re: Several Key Points
reasoning and reasonable are not the same thing just because they share the same root.
and gravitation has nothing to do with faith.

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Message 108 of 169 (394434)
04-11-2007 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by One_Charred_Wing
04-09-2007 1:46 AM


Re: It's not in the least bit a "pointless exercise".
2.The parting of the Red Sea was probably an exxageration of a nonetheless exiting actual event; same with many other things in the OT.
that would be great and i'd be talking about thera (santorini) if there was any evidence whatsoever that the jews were ever in egypt. it is clearly a story made up to encourage the jews who were in exile in babylon. maybe no one can find the ark of the covenant because it never existed.
i stopped going to church when i went on easter sunday 2004 and was told what a horrible sinner i was in a sermon about how thomas was an evil idiot for demanding evidence. it's a biblically insupportable position. but suddenly even presbyterians were insane.

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Message 109 of 169 (394435)
04-11-2007 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Doddy
04-09-2007 6:43 AM


Re: It's not in the least bit a "pointless exercise".
this seems to tell me that christians aren't moral either. if none are moral, that doesn't leave people out just because they have the rulebook and know what they're doing wrong.

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Message 110 of 169 (394436)
04-11-2007 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by nator
04-10-2007 9:52 PM


Re: Why I didn't become an atheist
human conscience being biological does not preclude it's inclusion by a creative god. human conscience being biological gives more credence to this than human conscience being socially enforced as it's really rather silly to think that god aurally conferred it to all men.

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Message 111 of 169 (394437)
04-11-2007 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by mpb1
04-10-2007 8:32 PM


Re: Why I didn't become an atheist
My reference to a fear of hedonism was essentially a reference to the loosening of my moral code to "allow" for pre-marital or extra-marital sex. My 13-year marriage has been a rocky one, and my wife and I have often stayed together for God and/or the kids. If I had become an atheist, then a big barrier - God's commands regarding sexuality - would have been removed from my life, one that currently stops me from "causing" my family to unravel. If I became an atheist, I could potentially give up on my marriage, divorce, and perhaps have pre-marital or extra-marital sex. And I believe that any of these actions would negatively affect my children, as well as my wife.
i would suggest that you seek intensive counseling. chances are, you could be causing more damage to your children than a divorce would. i don't want to encourage you to jump the shark, but i want you to think more seriously about your issues. i think that its entirely possible for almost anyone to be in a healthy relationship with almost anyone else. you just have to be willing to work together. staying together for god and kids is a terrible idea. working your issues out so that this lifetime vow that you have made doesn't drive you to blow your brains out and destroy your kids is.

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Message 113 of 169 (394440)
04-11-2007 1:40 PM
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04-11-2007 1:34 PM


Re: Degrees of accountability before God
oh see. i thought you meant something else entirely.
let's take this to a new thread. i have more questions.

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Message 127 of 169 (394530)
04-11-2007 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by One_Charred_Wing
04-11-2007 6:37 PM


Re: It's not in the least bit a "pointless exercise".

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Message 128 of 169 (394531)
04-11-2007 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by nator
04-11-2007 6:24 PM


Re: Why I didn't become an atheist
i know. i'm just in a mood. comps and all. kill me now.

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Message 129 of 169 (394534)
04-11-2007 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by crashfrog
04-11-2007 9:01 PM


Re: Several Key Points
you claim to be able to know that there is no god. and you are terribly aggressive about making sure that you demonstrate your utter disdain for anyone who dares disagree with you. my fiance does the same shit sometimes and it really isn't attractive. god, at least agnostics are honest (and more honest than theists, i must say). but you don't even just disagree with theists. you undermine their very sanity, ability of complex (or basic) thought, and their right to participate in policy. yes, they often do the same to you, but just because you've got a different book in your ass doesn't mean you get to turn it around. it's like feminist misandronists. they're so intellectually irresponsible. and then i make a joke about how much of a pain you can be sometimes and you go off on me like anyone in the world agrees with my theology, like christians just open their doors to me.

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Message 131 of 169 (394543)
04-12-2007 12:33 AM
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04-12-2007 12:27 AM


Re: Several Key Points
and somehow you don't see the hostility of carrying on a conversation with someone for whom you have absolutely no respect or consideration based on one idea which may or may not be so adament as you claim. it's like you think you're some great high creature playing a nasty little game with a worm. it's really a horrible thing, and you should really think of better ways to occupy yourself.

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Message 136 of 169 (394612)
04-12-2007 2:26 PM
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04-12-2007 2:24 PM


Re: OT

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