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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
No, you misunderstand.
I'm not saying mixing up "no" and "what does he look like". What I'm asking it why they are willing to answer NO to questions like: "Is Zeus real?""Is Thor real?" "Is Coyote real?" But then are willing to answer yes to: "Is real?"
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Huh?
Are you honestly trying to equate the scientific process of hypothesis and testing with magic? Is it that you fundamentaly misunderstand science or is it that you fundamentally misunderstand magic? OR both?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Sorry Jar, but that is a cop out.
Fundamentalists hold that someone who worships Zeus is not simply worshiping a misunderstand interpreattion of their own God, but is in fact worshiping a false God. It's either/or, not both. Either God exists, or Thor exists. You can not claim Thor = God, because, like I said in the original post, I'm not asking for everyone's personal opinion on the subject, I'm challenging Fundies to explain their ongoing hypocracy
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm not asking for everyone's personal opinion on the subject, I'm challenging Fundies to explain their ongoing hypocracy Then fix your friggin topic title. And if you believe what I posted is a copout, then present your best argument in support of your position. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Nuggin writes: What I'm asking it why they are willing to answer NO to questions like: "Is Zeus real?""Is Thor real?" "Is Coyote real?" What I'm saying is that those questions may not be relevant until after they have decided there is a God of some sort. Don't most fundies claim they have considered other religions and picked the right/best one? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Nuggin writes:
So much of the old testament is in regard to god trying to convince the people that he's their only one true god. Everytime I read through the old testament, I always get the impression that god was trying to make people forget the other gods as if he had equals/competitions.
So you think that you could get a fundamentalist to acknowledge that there is some truth to the idea that Thor is a powerful diety and that their God is not the only "one true God"?
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All Fundamental Christians are Atheists in regards to Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Vishnu, Coyote, the Hero Twins, and many many more Gods. What gives?
I'm a christian although not a fundamentalist. I don't consider myself an atheist WRT all those other gods because I accept that "a god" exists. I just think that they were wrong or misinformed or ignorant about who god is. So I don't consider myself an atheist about those gods.
So, what's the deal, Fundies? I've heard over and over how you can discard a mountain of evidence in favor or your particular flavor of magic, but how can you also discard a mountain of magic in favor of magic. Because, when considering what we do know is true, their interpretation of god is incorrect. But they were correct that the "flavor of magic" does, in fact, exist
What reason do you have to believe that people with as much, if not more, spiritual evidence in the existence of their Gods are some how wrong? I believe Jesus. I think that he was right(correct), and they were ignorant or misinformed or lacking information.
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I am saying that the belief in God is a belief in magic I have a high quality scientific education and I cannot disbelieve "magic", especially magic that is attributed to GOD. All phenomenon can have natural explanations, but those do not preclude GOD.
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Don't most fundies claim they have considered other religions and picked the right/best one? I dunno, I'm not a fundie, but I do claim that. And I don't think that it is coincedence that the one I picked is the same as the one I was raised to believe.
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Do you mean that it is only an opinion that any superstition is made up, or just the one you subscribe to?
When the opinion is on something like a god, there isn't really anything that is evident that the god is not "made up".
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, I'm not asking for everyone's personal opinion on the subject, I'm challenging Fundies to explain their ongoing hypocracy Shit. I'm off topic.
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3941 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
All Fundamental Christians are Atheists in regards to Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Vishnu, Coyote, the Hero Twins, and many many more Gods. What gives? This is the same argument that you hear a lot from Sam Harris and I think it is deeply flawed. The problem with it is that Christians or Moslems are not atheists with respect to other Gods due to the basic absurdity of said Gods. They are atheists with respect to other Gods because their holy books tell them to be. Zeus' existence is not considered false because the concept of zeus is absurd. Zeus' existence is considered false because the Bible says that there is only 1 God. There is nothing to be gained by calling religious people hypocrites because they don't accept the same rational for the rejection of other Gods. The argument fails because they are not rejecting other Gods for rational reasons, but rather religious ones. Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
There is nothing to be gained by calling religious people hypocrites because they don't accept the same rational for the rejection of other Gods. I think you're misconstruing what the argument is intended to mean. It's not usually offered to portray the religious as hypocrites; it's usually offered in response to a believer who says "I can't imagine/it's not possible to not believe in God." In that case it's highly appropriate to point out, in reply, all of the various and sundry Gods that the speaker already doesn't believe in.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
So if I understand you correctly, you are saying --
People who believe in Zeus are wrong because they think that God's name is actually Zeus, but it's not, it's God. But, the only evidence you have for this is that you believe that "God's" name is "God" and not "Zeus", when there is just as much evidence that the opposite is true. That what you believe to be "God" is actually Zeus, and you are simply mistaken in your belief. May Zeus forgive you.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
The argument fails because they are not rejecting other Gods for rational reasons, but rather religious ones. But they are choosing which religious faith to follow. They are choosing (let's go out on a limb and say "rationally") to believe that their particular faith holds more merit than any other given faith. It just so happens that believing their particular faith precludes belief in other faiths. However, there is no more evidence for belief in their faith than there is for belief in any other faith. As such, they are discarding all Gods save one out of hand based on the same criteria they are using to prop up the one they choose.
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