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Author Topic:   The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made
Minnemooseus
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Message 1 of 320 (395312)
04-15-2007 11:46 PM


I quote the topic title from a message of Juraikken's at the "Exodus Part Two: Population of the Exodus Group" topic. There has been an ongoing discussion there (and elsewhere?) that has little (IMO) directly to do with the topic.
Jar has taken part in the above cited discussion, and it's largely an exploration of Jar's "The map vs. the territory" analogy.
So, the repeat the topic title, Juraikken asserts that "The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made."
Might I suggest, that man has had a hand in the manufacturing of the physical book? Also, down through time, that man has had a hand in translating and editing the content of the Bible (the variety of your choice, as Jar points out, there are many variations on what is "The Bible"?
Now I ask, being that man is the screw-up prone creature he is, how successful has God been at maintaining Biblical quality control down through the ages? Perfect quality control? Near perfect? The general story is correct? The book still has some valid use? It's worthless?
I say, real quality control, now there God would have pulled off his greatest miracle.
Maybe I can get fast admin action, in getting this topic into the "The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy" forum.
Moose
Added by edit: I have now discovered the older Determining a book's truth topic. Perhaps my new topic is redundant to that topic.
Edited by Minnemooseus, : See above.

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
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Minnemooseus
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Message 86 of 320 (396449)
04-20-2007 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Buzsaw
04-19-2007 11:18 PM


Wrote = Created
dwise1 writes:
The First Testament" ............ is what God wrote, the true "Word of God", namely Nature:
Dwise, you made an emphatic point that different means different. By the same token, wrote means wrote and written words are not nature.
Buz, I here assert that wrote = created; wrote is a euphemism for created.
Now, we are looking at God wrote/created the Bible vs. man wrote/created the Bible. From there we went to God wrote/created the rocks vs. ??? wrote/created the rocks.
From message 80, the way I see it as having happened:
"Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks."
Now, perhaps God did originally write/create the Bible, but can you deny that since then there has been a tremendous amount of translation and editing by man? How can you be confident that man hasn't royally screwed up the editing and translating down through time? Maybe also abridged the story a bit too much?
We can, however, feel confident that man has not edited/translated the rocks that God wrote/created. Regardless of what problems man may have in reading the rocks, we can be confident that at least we have good quality original source material to read. Not to mention, a lot more material to read.
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 318 of 320 (429288)
10-19-2007 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 293 by jar
10-18-2007 10:48 PM


One Bible or many?
If the Bible really was Godly Made you would expect that there would be one Bible, not many.
While it certainly would be nice if there were a single ultimately authoritative Bible, I don't think that smaller fragments of that Bible would unnecessarily be invalid.
But then again, how can we expect that there be an "Unabridged Complete Thoughts of God" Bible? Wouldn't that require infinite length? Still, a few more details on certain topics would be nice.
Topic probably closing soon. Time to mine out some specific themes for the next version. How about something "King James" specific? Or perhaps something about those "thousands of fulfilled prophesies"?
Moose (plus some Adminnemooseus)

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for ” but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him." - Hunter S. Thompson
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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