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Author | Topic: So Just How is ID's Supernatural-based Science Supposed to Work? (SUM. MESSAGES ONLY) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Buzsaw Inactive Member |
dwise1 writes: First, it is absolutely ridiculous to include "questions pertaining to the accuracy of the ancient Biblical record relative to archeology" in your list, since archeology has indeed been actively pursued at biblical sites and, I'm sure, is still being pursued. Second, can you see what you wrote? You're taking issue with science not pursuing questions leading to attempting to research the supernatural. Hello? Just how do you expect science to deal with the supernatural? You just brought us right back to the fundamental question I asked in the OP and that we have repeatedly posed to IDists and which those same IDists have dodged: just how exactly does ID expect science to test supernaturalistic explanations? Since you want science to incorporate the supernatural, you must be prepared to answer that question. A good starter would be for National Geographic's marine scientist/archeologist/explorer, Dr. Robert Ballard to at least go to the Gulf of Aqaba and explore the site marine biologist, Dr. Lennart Moller has researched, witten about and produced videos of the underwater photographed corral encased debris which resembles chariot parts, in a region described in the Biblical record including corroborating evidence relative to the Exodus account and Red Sea crossing. Why aren't the educational institutions calling for Mollar presentations of his marine research and professional underwater photography, etc? To my knowledge no secularist scientists have even shown any interest in this phenominal discovery. Why? Likely because it has supernatural implications which secular science purposfully avoids. So again, perhaps mainline secularist science's aversion to asking questions is indeed missing out on valuable and new discoveries as per your statement. And again, as it stands, secular science's goal is not really to 'teach the controversy', but rather it is to eliminate ID creationism and to pervert science into their own image, effectively killing science as well (applying some of your own phraseology). BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
A good starter would be for National Geographic's marine scientist/archeologist/explorer, Dr. Robert Ballard to at least go to the Gulf of Aqaba and explore the site marine biologist, Dr. Lennart Moller has researched, witten about and produced videos of the underwater photographed corral encased debris which resembles chariot parts, in a region described in the Biblical record including corroborating evidence relative to the Exodus account and Red Sea crossing. Why aren't the educational institutions calling for Mollar presentations of his marine research and professional underwater photography, etc? Do you have a website link to this? There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Buz, topic, please.
--Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
IDers are effectively eliminated. They cannot now even ask the questions, let alone discuss models in most schools. Sorry Buz but that is simply another false statement. The place they must BEGIN is in the peer reviewed science forum at the post-graduate level. Like anyone else, they must place therir models out for review, and do stuff like actually include ALL of the data. The truth is that Biblical Creationists, ID asserters and Creation That model they have perfected though. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Hi Granny. Greetings and welcome to EvC. Evidence of the supernatural relative to science must of necessity be above the example you've given. It must involve the sciences of archeology, exploration, physical observation and historical research etc. It may as well include mathmatical probabilities, statistics, geneology, verifiable prophecy fulfillment and such. My understanding is that none of this is being allowed in the public educational arena.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
OOPS double post.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Evidence of the supernatural relative to science must of necessity be above the example you've given. It must involve the sciences of archeology, exploration, physical observation and historical research etc. Please provide the model that explains how archeology can support the existence of the supernatural?
It may as well include mathmatical probabilities, statistics, geneology, verifiable prophecy fulfillment and such. Do you ever plan to present evidence of fulfilled prophecy or are you just gonna make the claim and run away again? What is the model for geneological evidence of the supernatural? Maybe put Gods Granddad on the stand?
My understanding is that none of this is being allowed in the public educational arena. Thank GOD! The topic in case you missed it is "So Just How is ID's Supernatural-based Science Supposed to Work?" What is your model for placing the supernatural on the lab bench to be tested? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Please provide the model that explains how archeology can support the existence of the supernatural? Don't you know? The discovery of Troy showed that the story of Achilles is true, which proves that the designer was Zeus.
What is your model for placing the supernatural on the lab bench to be tested? It's all greek to me ... Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
What are the predictions of ID?
What are the potential falsifications? How have they been tested? What have been the results? If you have no answers to those questions, why should ID be taught in science classes?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
What are the predictions of ID?
What are the potential falsifications? How have they been tested? What have been the results? If you have no answers to those questions, why should ID be taught in science classes?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
What is your response to the specifics of my message 91 relative to your questions?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
What is your response to the specifics of my message 91 relative to your questions?
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
What is your response to the specifics of my message 91 relative to your comments?
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
A good starter would be for National Geographic's marine scientist/archeologist/explorer, Dr. Robert Ballard to at least go to the Gulf of Aqaba and explore the site marine biologist, Dr. Lennart Moller has researched, witten about and produced videos of the underwater photographed corral encased debris which resembles chariot parts, in a region described in the Biblical record including corroborating evidence relative to the Exodus account and Red Sea crossing. Why aren't the educational institutions calling for Mollar presentations of his marine research and professional underwater photography, etc? To my knowledge no secularist scientists have even shown any interest in this phenominal discovery. Why? Likely because it has supernatural implications which secular science purposfully avoids. So again, perhaps mainline secularist science's aversion to asking questions is indeed missing out on valuable and new discoveries as per your statement. And again, as it stands, secular science's goal is not really to 'teach the controversy', but rather it is to eliminate ID creationism and to pervert science into their own image, effectively killing science as well (applying some of your own phraseology). Dr. Lennart Moller never produced ANY evidence. All he did was produce an infomercial that ignorant gullible Christians will buy. He did no research, presented no case, just sold his commercial. He did NO science, shows no understanding of science, has NO evidence, presented nothing to the peer review process because he knows nothing he has done will stand up to examination by anything except ignorant gullible Christians. So far Creation So when are YOU going to actually step up and present a model or support ANY of your assertions. AbE: Lennart Mller really is a scientist, and so he KNOWS what is required for scientific research. The only possible explanation for him NOT following normal scientific methodology is that he knows he has nothing that would stand up to examination in the peer review system and also that Biblical Christians are taught NOT to critically examine assertions that seem to support their desired conclusion but will willing fork over good dollars. Edited by jar, : add info on Lennart Mller Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
schraf writes: What are the predictions of ID?What are the potential falsifications? How have they been tested? To get into the specifics of ID relative to science, would be leading off topic. Relative to topic, dwise1 asks how ID's supernatural based science can work. My message 91 offers one example of science supportive to the supernatural which secular science has ignored. If Dwise and you folks want an answer, we have to begin some place. That's what I'm attempting to do. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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