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Topic: scientific theories taught as factual
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 141 of 295 (447299)
01-08-2008 7:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 125 by Coragyps
01-08-2008 4:26 PM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Coragyps,
That "moment" Those were not my words but Chen's. I have no Idea what he meant when he said moment. I am glad you do. Have fun,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 143 of 295 (447305)
01-08-2008 7:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 129 by ringo
01-08-2008 4:49 PM
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Re: Re-Barrier
Hi Ringo,
The whole point of this exchange has been: what leads you to conclude that it couldn't be done? Simply the same thing that leads you to believe it can be done. You want to believe it can be done and it doesn't make any difference what anyone says you are going to believe it can be done. I don't want to believe it can be done and I know it has not been proven to have been done therefore I don't believe it can be done. Prove it and I will believe it. Have fun,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Message 147 of 295 (447316)
01-08-2008 8:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 131 by NosyNed
01-08-2008 4:58 PM
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Re: Ancestors
Hi Ned,
Do you have parents? Sure. But what does that have to do with me having parents millions of years ago? Have fun,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 149 of 295 (447321)
01-08-2008 8:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 134 by ringo
01-08-2008 5:15 PM
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Re: Re-Transition
Hi Ringo,
A transmutation is a change Do you take me and the readers of this site for stupid fools?
Ringo writes: According to Dictionary.com:
quote:
trans·mute
-verb (used with object), verb (used without object), -mut·ed, -mut·ing. to change from one nature, substance, form, or condition into another; transform.[Origin: 1400-50; late ME < L trnsmtre to shift, equiv. to trns- trans- + mtre to change.]
I don't remember using the word transmute for anything. Your dictionary source says concerning transmutation
transmutation
-noun 1. the act or process of transmuting.
2. the fact or state of being transmuted.
3. change into another nature, substance, form, or condition.
4. Biology. the transformation of one species into another. Compare transformism.
5. Physics. any process in which a nuclide is transformed into a different nuclide, usually one of a different element.
6. Alchemy. the supposed conversion of base metals into metals of greater value, esp. into gold or silver. And I am accused of not debating in good faith.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Message 151 of 295 (447323)
01-08-2008 8:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 135 by Modulous
01-08-2008 5:20 PM
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Hi Mod, Hope you guys having good weather over there. Thanks for the input but we weren't just talking about primates.
Thus, evolution of primates is just variation within the primate family. We were talking about from the single cell life form to Lucy. I had to come to the conclusion that according to evolution as has been discussed here that, that cell and everything between it and me are my ancestors. And I can not find this definition anywhere else. Therefore I cannot believe in this type of evolution. I can believe in the one that RAZD has put forth in his definition of Micro-effects and Macro-efects. Have fun,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 153 of 295 (447325)
01-08-2008 9:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 139 by NosyNed
01-08-2008 7:09 PM
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Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi Ned,
Utterly wrong of course. You may think this because you know little about the scientific facts. Then I suppose Chen was a liar or did not know what he was talking about when he said: quote:
the emergence of such a sophisticated creature at so early a date show that modern life forms burst on the scene suddenly, rather than through any gradual process.
Message 123 Take your argument up with him I am just going by what I can find on the subject. Now if he is a unreliable source and you can present evidence to that then please do so and I will stop quoting him. Until then,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Message 154 of 295 (447326)
01-08-2008 9:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 142 by jar
01-08-2008 7:28 PM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi jar, Maybe I am too tired from trying to keep up answering to all those that are giving me attention or asking me questions or something but I could not find any of Chen's findings in the article you pointed too.
A short history of the search for PreCambrian fossils You did read the article you referenced did you not jar. If you did you would know that no research is referenced after 1965. Chen made his statements in 1998 some 33 years later. But maybe that does not make any difference. And I get accused of not debating in good faith. Have fun,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 158 of 295 (447335)
01-08-2008 10:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 145 by ringo
01-08-2008 7:54 PM
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Re: Re-Barrier
Hi Ringo,
ICANT writes: You want to believe it can be done and it doesn't make any difference what anyone says you are going to believe it can be done.
Ringo writes: Not at all. I couldn't care less whether evolution is true or false, any more than I could care less whether it's possible to walk from British Columbia to Newfoundland. I don't "want to believe" anything. You could have fooled me spending as much time as you have trying to convince me as you have.
Ringo writes: All I'm asking (still) is for any kind of evidence that a walk to the corner store can't be extended to a walk across the country.
I thought I agreed to this in my journey of Nator from her home to california. But upon further review I have come to the conclusion that there is evidence that it is impossible. For some. I have a friend that can walk to the corner store with little problem. But if he were to take off on a cross country journey he would die in the trying. You see he has artificial hips and he has to walk with two arm crutches that go up to and around his arm just below the armpit. it also goes around his arm just below his elbow. Now maybe I am wrong and he could make it you decide.
Ringo writes: All I'm asking is for any kind of evidence that the difference between you and your father can't be extended to the difference between you and Lucy. This is what you actually asked for:
Ringo writes: I think I've been pretty clear throughout the thread. Big changes are from single-cell to Lucy or from Lucy to you. Specifically, what barrier prevents that? Message 117 Would you care to back up the above statement with evidence? I suppose not just a song and dance.
Ringo writes: If you can produce such evidence, I'll be only too glad to accept it. You did not ask for evidence. I gave you my reasons. [msg143] I can't help it if you will not accept them.
ICANT writes: Prove it and I will believe it. Ringo writes: You're the one who claims such an obstacle exists. The onus is on you to show that it does. My statement was concerning the evolutionary steps between the single cell life form and Lucy. You are the one who keeps demanding that I name a barrier why Lucy can't be my ancestor. Which I have not and will not. Because then it would be up to me to prove what the barrier was that is why I gave you my reasons. I do have a barrier but you don't believe the Bible so that one is out. Since you have taken the affirmitave side that it did happen the onus is not on me but on you to prove that it happened. Just as soon as you do that I will prove to you that it is impossible for Lucy to be my ancestor. Until then another aspect of the debate. Have fun,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 160 of 295 (447337)
01-08-2008 10:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 146 by Percy
01-08-2008 8:24 PM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi Percy, I think Chen said something about sudden. Have fun.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 161 of 295 (447338)
01-08-2008 10:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 148 by Percy
01-08-2008 8:35 PM
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Hi Percy, Thanks for clearing that up for me. But one more question if my son had been born with a stub arm just below the elbow that would be a transition? Have fun,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 162 of 295 (447340)
01-08-2008 10:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 150 by ringo
01-08-2008 8:52 PM
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Re: Re-Transition
Hi Ringo,
I think I've been pretty clear throughout the thread. Big changes are from single-cell to Lucy or from Lucy to you. Specifically, what barrier prevents that? I have an old saying for this one Hell will freeze over before you get me in that trap. Or you will prove those great changes from the single cell life form to Lucy. Whichever comes first. Have fun,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 163 of 295 (447343)
01-08-2008 10:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 156 by jar
01-08-2008 9:31 PM
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Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Hi jar,
Now do you ever plan to post something related to the topic? Lets see theory is what many believe happened and is taught. Observation is what is actual fact. Chen said something different than what is being taught. And by the way the article you pointed too in 2004 was just confirmation of his find in 1998. Because they were the same type of animals. Do you think he changed his mind? Have fun, By the way if I say something meaningful you won't have anyone to pick on.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 166 of 295 (447349)
01-08-2008 10:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 157 by Percy
01-08-2008 9:45 PM
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Re: Sudden Appearances
Hi Percy,
Percy writes: Two or three million years is not sudden, though it is certainly a much shorter period than the more widely accepted view of around 20 million years. Percy considering it took 2.5 billion years to get from single cell life form to multi-cell microscopic life forms I would say compared to that almost anybody would think 2 to 3 million years was sudden.
Your Globe article appeared in May of 2000, and it doesn't appear that Chen's ideas have found much acceptance in the time since then. Why would anyone want to accept his ideas? If he is right Darwin is wrong. That would mean that evolution as taught is a lie. Heaven forbid. Have fun, Guys it is your theory I am just along for the ride.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 169 of 295 (447354)
01-08-2008 11:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 164 by RAZD
01-08-2008 10:30 PM
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Re: God on the lab table - evolution in the present day.
Hi RAZD,
(is anyone on topic these days?) I'm not I keep getting bombarded with questions and I don't have any better sense that try to answer them. BTW you totally missed my message on the beautiful photo. I was trying to point out that the picture is someone's rendition of what he\she thought the animal would look like. Now let me try to put that on topic. You flash this picture and expect people to believe that is exactlly what that animal looked like. That is a lie because no one knows what that animal looked like. The trail of horses you like to point to and are point to in: See "something"Is not now accepted in the same progression as it has been in the past. Now we have a 3 toed horse after we have a two toed horse not before. Something got messed up there. But not to worry just keep preaching it as usual nobody will notice. Have fun,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 171 of 295 (447357)
01-09-2008 12:22 AM
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Re-anything meaningful
Hi Guys and Gals, I am so glad to see that you missed me but I had some free time and thought I would give you somebody to beat up of for a little while. Sorry though I got to go won't be around much for awhile. Enjoy.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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