Before Big Bang God or Singularity

tesla writes:it always was.
thats the start.

Rahvin writes:The Big Bang was not the "beginning" of the Universe as you're stating. Nothing was "created in the Big Bang. The Bang is what we call the expansion of the Universe from the Singularity to what we see today - not a scientific verification of your "creation ex nihilo" fantasies.

The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404)Hawking on the beginning.
Public Lectures - The Beginning of Time
In this lecture, I would like to discuss whether time itself has a beginning, and whether it will have an end. All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology. Yet it is now taken for granted.

Best Paytm Cash Earning Games in India | Free Apps to Win Cash onlineFor thousands of years, people have wondered about the universe. Did it stretch out forever or was there a limit? And where did it all come from? Did the universe have a beginning, a moment of creation? Or had the universe existed forever? The debate between these two views raged for centuries without reaching any conclusions. Personally, I'm sure that the universe began with a hot Big Bang. But will it go on forever? If not, how will it end? I'm much less certain about that. The expansion of the universe spreads everything out, but gravity tries to pull it all back together again. Our destiny depends on which force will win." ”Stephen Hawking
How did the universe really begin?
Most astronomers would say that the debate is now over: The universe started with a giant explosion, called the Big Bang. The big-bang theory got its start with the observations by Edwin Hubble that showed the universe to be expanding. If you imagine the history of the universe as a long-running movie, what happens when you show the movie in reverse? All the galaxies would move closer and closer together, until eventually they all get crushed together into one massive yet tiny sphere. It was just this sort of thinking that led to the concept of the Big Bang.
The Big Bang marks the instant at which the universe began, when space and time came into existence and all the matter in the cosmos started to expand. Amazingly, theorists have deduced the history of the universe dating back to just 10 -43 second (10 million trillion trillion trillionths of a second) after the Big Bang. Before this time all four fundamental forces”gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces”were unified, but physicists have yet to develop a workable theory that can describe these conditions.

Modulous writes:Ask where did the point 3 inches from your nose 5 seconds ago came from.

Modulous writes:The question should not be 'where did the singularity come from?'

cavediver writes:When a gentleman approaches with his underpants on his head, a pencil up each nostril, and announces 'wibble', one's first reaction is typically not 'I must refute this'

ICANT writes:In this topic I would like to discuss which is the best explanation for the origin of the universe. God or the Singularity including the Big Bang.

Modulous writes:Is the universe as we know it, self-existing?
Did it originate out of a higher dimensional 'universe' which itself is self-existing?
Did it originate out of the creative influence of a self-existing deity?
Did it originate out of the creative influence of a deity who was in turn created by a self-existent mega-deity?

Modulous writes:If you are going to compare models, make sure they are comparable first

cavediver writes:I can do that, but I need you to promise to stop running off with mad conclusions - in my first post in this thread, I presented quite a bit of information and given the responses I sorely regretted getting involved in this thread. I'm doing my VAT return, so time is at a premium this weekend.

Modulous writes:The reason that the discussion isn't moving forward is because we are trying to explain why the big bang model is not about the origins of the universe. If you want to discuss actual models about the origins of the universe, then that is great. If you want to insist that a model that is not proposed to explain the origin of the universe does not explain the origin of the universe - then you go right ahead...you'll excuse the rest of us for not being interested and trying to steer the conversation into the real world.

The big bang theory states that at some time in the distant past there was nothing. A process known as vacuum fluctuation created what astrophysicists call a singularity. From that singularity, which was about the size of a dime, our Universe was born.

The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions.

Big Bang Theory, currently accepted explanation of the beginning of the universe. The big bang theory proposes that the universe was once extremely compact, dense, and hot. Some original event, a cosmic explosion called the big bang, occurred about 13.7 billion years ago, and the universe has since been expanding and cooling.

The Question
(Submitted November 08, 1997)What is the big bang theory? What do you believe?The Answer
The big bang theory is the theory that the universe started from a single point, and has been expanding ever since.
This has been well-established by observations, such as the apparent movement of galaxies away from us, and the cosmic microwave background radiation believed to be the leftover light from the big bang.The evidence for a big bang having taken place about 15 to 20 billion years ago is overwhelming, so I naturally believe that it is the case.However, if your real question is "why did the big bang happen in the first place?" then that ceases to be an astronomical question, but a religious one.Some astronomers, who are religious, argue that the big bang theory confirms the existence of God and the basic elements of the creation story as told in the Bible. First came light, then the heavens, then the Earth ...However, many other scientists do not. Scientists, like people in most any profession, have a vast diversity of religious beliefs. Some of us attend houses of worship, others do not. Some of us consider ourselves very religious, others consider ourselves staunch atheists. Just because we study astronomy does not mean we have any more agreement as to the ``why'' questions than anyone else.On the other hand, it is safe to say that as scientists we can agree on an approach to learning about nature and the universe. This approach is one of using observations to test theories. And when a theory has been tested as much as the big bang theory, with each test reconfirming its validity, then we believe that it likely true -- at least more true than those theories which have failed the observational tests.Good luck on your quest for the truth.Jonathan Keohane
for Ask an Astrophysicist

“For thousands of years, people have wondered about the universe. Did it stretch out forever or was there a limit? And where did it all come from? Did the universe have a beginning, a moment of creation? Or had the universe existed forever? The debate between these two views raged for centuries without reaching any conclusions. Personally, I’m sure that the universe began with a hot Big Bang. But will it go on forever? If not, how will it end? I’m much less certain about that. The expansion of the universe spreads everything out, but gravity tries to pull it all back together again. Our destiny depends on which force will win.” ”Stephen Hawking

The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404)Hawking on the beginning.
Public Lectures - The Beginning of Time
In this lecture, I would like to discuss whether time itself has a beginning, and whether it will have an end. All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology. Yet it is now taken for granted.

mobiogirl writes:You seem to think that a singularity is a very, very tiny dot that then exploded into the universe.

Son Goku writes:That is were things stand. The Big Bang describes the early history of the universe, but not how/why it exists. However the Big Bang is correct, as observations support it. There is no better theory of the early universe.

molbiogirl writes:No physicist would argue that "something came out of nothing".

cavediver writes:Yes, 'common sense' would - but until you can actually define what you mean by 'something', 'from' and 'nothing'

Modulous writes:That is the kind of thing that we are trying to explain to you

molbiogirl writes:What is what? T=O? When time = zero.