YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, adonai, lord, elohim, god, allah, Allah thread.

The bottom line is which god is the true god, the NT violent Allah one or the NT nonviolent Jehohah one? Imo the fact that the Allah one bungled up what the Jehovah one did by applyting to all the world for all time what the Jehovah god applied only to one tiny land for one period of history indicates that it was the Allah one which counterfeited the real god's plan which was to usher in a period of salvation and grace until the time appointed for messiah Jesus to take over in Israel (now regathered as per prophecy) for the kingdom of god on earth long prophesied in both OT and NT.Jehovah is the true god since his program is on tract as per the prophecies of both OT and NT. The Allah god has no record of fulfilled prophecy except that his followers were to kill, kill, kill until all competitive religions and nations are subdued under Islam. True Biblical Christianity grows by preaching the gospel alone minus all violence. Islam must use/threaten violence to grow and use/threaten more violence to keep Muslims from converting back out. Converting out of Islam is mandated death as per Mohammed and his desciples in the Koran, the Sunnahs and the Haddith. If Jehovah be the true god, he will do what he will the the promised land and nobody will stop him. Thus Israel wins all their wars regardless of the odds and as per prophecy. When Armageddon begins to ensue, Israel will be invaded and partly occupied again for a very short time but Jesus comes and saves the day for his messianic kingdom when this happens as I understand the prophecies.

Well, my friend, the last real debate I had with a Muslim was on the old now defunct Newsmax forum. I was buzzboy then. The day before 9/11/01 the debate was going hot and heavy, me debating that Islam was a violent religion as per the Koran, Haddith and Sunnahs. The Muslim fellow along with the secularists were debating the Muslims line that it was peaceful. Well the evidence fell hard and sure the next day with the debate ended and me the winner hands down, not that I wanted that much evidence piled on us. The Muslim fellow never showed up again after the forum opened back up a few days later. He was likely out dancing in the streets along with the hords of other fundie Muslims around the world who were so happy those towers fell and those people died. Edited by Buzsaw, : Add 01 to date

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The day before the AM of the 9/11 I was in fact member Buzboy (my username then) on Newsmax forum debating a Muslim fellow. I was debating that Islam was a violent religion and that Mohammed and his followers who wrote the Haddith and the Sunnahs advocated violence. He was claiming that it was peaceful and everyone was agreeing with him and joining in the debate, including the only moderator Wendya, me being the only one arguing my position. Of course the next day 19 devout Islam fundies in the USA from Saudi Arabia settled the argument. The Islam fellow disappeared off the radar never to return.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

Hi reletomp. Clarification is needed as to just what your points are. It would be appreciated if you would put it simple in a few statements. I'm not sure what your position is by what you were trying to get across.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

The problem with that is that none of the above are Biblical OT prophets perse. They were partiarcs, a priest, a king, a herdsman nomad wildman (Ishmael) and a father of all living (Adam).Narry a one was one of the official Biblical prophets and not one of the real Biblical prophets are prophets of Islam. Why? Likely because they prophesied the return of Israel to the land in the end times and the demise of Edom and the other enemies of Israel, i.e, for the most part, descendents of Ishmael and Esau. I've said it many times and I see I need to repeat that The only expansion if you want to call it that was regarding the relatively little heathen idol worshipping land of Caanan which God gave his wandering people to eventually become the Messianic kingdom of Jehovah. They were never instructed to go beyond that. Thus, after the late 1967 war, lands outside of that area was not held by modern Israel when they could have done so.On the other hand Mohammed and his followers have called for total world conquest for Allah their god of Mohammed and his book and of the Haddith and Sunnahs as per his successors. You're bright on some things, Mod, but you've grossly deficient in your understanding of this subject. I've been in the Bible intensly for over 50 years. Believe me when I insist that Mohammed's god and Jesus's father/god are diametrically opposed. Thus you get killed for preaching Jehovah, Jesus and the Bible in Islamic nations like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, etc and if you convert to Islam and decide later you want out in such nations. LOL! Tell it to any Islamic Imam or Islamic fundie government leader who will likely have you killed if you worship and propagate the god YHWH/pronounced Yahweh(Hebrew)/YHWH/pronounced Jehovah(English) in their mosque or nation. To be a Muslim convert YOU MUST confess that Allah (pronounced Allah English) is god and Mohammed (not Jesus)is his prophet. Then having done that YOU MUST not change your mind under the penalty of death as per fundamentalistic Muslim doctrine.Islam is anti-christ/messiah and has been since it's inception. Thus it is anti-Biblical and not pro-Biblical. Bibles must be smuggled into most fundi theocratic Islamic nations.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

1. The Biblical translators all translate words and names from the language of the manuscript to another language.2. The Hebrew names and words having no vowels would be translated adding vowels for the translation into any language calling for vowels. YHWH is just one example of this among the thousands Hebrew names and words.3. To leave a proper name such as YHWH in it's Hebrew vowel-less form would render the translation incomplete and confusing.4. Some letters of the alphabet such as J were later additions to the alphabet. This effected some changes in translations from ancient works.
Alphabet Additions

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

If I understand you correctly this is much like Ian (Scottish-Gaelan)= John (Modern English). Biblical translators nearly all transliterated proper names into English equivalents along with everything else.Imo all proper names including those of deities should be transliterated in the same manner. To do otherwise like the the Yahweh and Yeshuah advocates insist is devisive and confusing, especially for the novices.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Sambee. I don't see that you've fully answered your own question.Imo it was the Biblical scribes who translated scriptures in the latter centuries of Judaism. They developed this foolish superstition that it was taboo to write or speak the name so they simply took it upon themselves to substitute the word adonai (lord/master) in place of the proper name of YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah. The majority of all translators up until the 1901 American Standard Version continued in this superstition. Thus the name was removed from the translated texts in direct violation with the prescribed restrictions on changing text under Judaic Law.Now even the revisions of the ASV have reverted back to the removal of the sacred name from scripture. Thus the ignorance prevailing today relative to the fact that Allah of the Koran and Jehovah of the Bible are not one and the same god.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi. Welcome.1. I suggest you read the thread and respond to some of my reasons why Jehovah is the proper English language rendition of the name you've cited which is the Hebrew pronunciation of the name. Most of us aren't Hebrews and we don't speak Hebrew. As with the rest of the scriptures which are translated using vowels we translate the name into understandable and speakable English.2. As My arguments in this thread show, I take your position that in the Old Testament the name is used over 6000 times and should be translated as such rather than translating it into a completely different word, adoni, which is a generic word for lord/master.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Otto. Thanks for weighing in with the interesting info. I'm wondering what your opinion is about my message 289.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

sl33w, "he is" or "the existing one" is what the name means. It is not the correct English translation of YHWH. Jehovah is the modern English correct translation of the name of HYWH. All proper names have meanings. That doesn't mean you communicate in and about them by what their names mean.

No. Jehovah means "the I am" or "the existing one."Joshua means "Jehovah saves".