Did you ever go to school Ray?
The "agree-with-me-or-you-are-uneducated" card.
Ray previously writes:
If critics do not dispute His existence then yes, of course----that is the point.
Brian in response writes:
Dear God Almighty Ray, your understanding of the discipline of history is about as poor as your understanding of science.
What people accept as being true about the past is purely by degrees of plausbility and NOT by certainty, this is especially true abut ancient history.
The fact that you are an Atheist-evolutionist and I am a Christian-creationist explains your opinion concerning my understanding of history and science.
Do you know what
historic certainty is, Brian? Concerning Jesus HC exists. Concerning other ancient histories it is, most of the time, lost.
Plausibility, as defined by your usage (message-wide), is ad hoc. The concept purposely fails to take a clear and definitive position in service to an agenda of Skepticism. But your Atheism, according to your own testimony, is a clear and unshakeable position based on the evidence. The main point here is that the ad hoc position presupposes the facticity of doubt and uncertainty. But your personal status as an Atheist, which is based on the same database of evidence available to everyone, is not threatened by any doubt or uncertainty.
Admitting to the possibility of uncertainty is ad hoc. You are not agnostic. This is why
plausibility, in
this particular subject and context (Biblical veracity), is an ad hoc tactic attempting to deceive Christians into accepting a false presupposition.
The existence of Jesus is taken on faith.
The agenda in service to Skepticism is seen and supported. Blue box comment is a claim that presupposes no evidence to exist supporting the claim that Christ lived. If this were true where did anyone obtain the idea that Jesus lived?
That there was a wandering preacher called Jesus in first century Palestine is not at all implausible, in fact, given that Jesus was a very popular name and that religious preachers of a huge range of religions were active as well, then it is highly likely that there was a preacher called Jesus wandering around Palestine 2000 years ago....Jesus the wandering preacher may have lived, big deal, so what.
What is your source for the Jesus you speak of?
However, when we look at the claims made for Jesus in the New Testament then it is a different matter. Many of the stories about Jesus, from an historical perspective, are highly implausible, and this is where the doubts come in.
Again, the agenda in service to Skepticism is supported.
We have, of course, studied the claims of the N.T. Anytime that you are ready to get specific let me know.
Jesus of the New Testament, from an historical perspective, is more likely to be a fictional character that may or may not be based on a real person.
"May or may not" Which is it? Of course since you are an Atheist you have made up your mind (= ad hoc uncertainty tactic exposed and supported).
All this says is that St. Matthew and St. Mark and St. Luke and St. John and St. Paul (= five separate sources) are liars. We explain your belief by remembering that you are an Atheist. Since we already know that Atheism believes N.T. authors to be liars what is your point? Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds disagree. What evidence do you have that said sources are liars or deluded?
Plausibility is rendered subjective. You have made claims thus far and nothing else.
You have sided with a wandering Rabbi to exist and nothing else. Again, what is the source for this claim?
The thing is, again from an historical perspective, we will never know for certain which, if any, actually did exist.
This is the nature of historical research Ray, it is much the same as scientific research, as in the fact that historical and scientific theories are NEVER proven.
Skepticism and Agnosticism are not presupposed by History or Science. Your "NEVER proven" claim is ad hoc, and I have explained why.
Since the most vocal and vituperative critics of the Bible (= Jesus Seminar "scholars," which includes Atheists) agree that Jesus lived, your opinion, in addition to being ad hoc and deceitful, exists within the lunatic fringe.
Maybe when you are finished your Earth shaking, much anticipated anti-evolution diatripe, you could take an introduction to history course at you local college, then perhaps you can see the basic errors you are making.
LOL!
Ray
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