Is Jesus the Circular Messiah?

Here is Brian's entire argument:12:00----There is no God or Divine Jesus.12:15----Anyone who says they exist is a liar or deluded.12:30----Because no such Divine beings exist.12:45----Anyone who says they exist are crazy.12:00----Because there is no God or Divine Jesus.What is this argument called?Arguing in a circle.Ray

The Bible is also filled with claims of what persons were thinking. Of course the claim of the canon is that each Book was Divinely inspired. The fact of claiming to know what someone was thinking supports Divine inspiration OR total fraud; logically these are the only two options.The issue in this context, that is, the context of public internet discussion between Christians, Atheists and presumably an audience of undecided onlookers, is settled by establishing credibility and reliability.Who is more credible and reliable? St. Matthew, St. Mark, St. Luke, St. John, St. Paul, author of Hebrews, Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah, David, etc, etc.Or:Your typical axe-grinding Atheist-evolutionist "scholar"?Hundreds of millions of persons since the 15th century AD, from every ethnic backround, economic status and level of education, have sided with the Biblical authors.Ray

Are you aware that in many different context census occur in the Bible?Of course we know that census occur in real life----abundantly.We also know that Roman rulers were nothing less than diabolical; and they gave orders effecting the populace that made no sense (except to them and the continual establishment of their power).Based on these facts the census that you question is more than sound.Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.

Hundreds of millions of persons since the 15th century AD, from every ethnic backround, economic status and level of education, have sided with the Biblical authors. This massive group of persons disagree. Point evasion. Except when it is the Theory of Evolution and the number of scientists that support, of course.Ray

Any other option is a subset belonging to one of these two.Boiled down: the authors either lied or told the truth.RayEdited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.

But we are not talking about your ridiculous straw men. The fact that hundreds of millions of diverse persons recognize the veracity of the textual evidence exposes the "evidence" of Atheists and Evolutionists to be non-credible and unreliable axe grinding. Evolutionists commonly support evolution by saying evolution is true because the vast majority of scientists support.Ray

Hundreds of millions of persons, from all walks of life, and economic status, and educational credentials, disagree.Ray

Retard said that truth is not determined by popular vote. I pointed out that evolutionists routinely comfort them self that evolution is true based on near unanimous support by practicing scientists. In fact I have read many books and defenses of evolution that use this exact argument.Ray

Yes it does.Why else is something accepted as true? Of course this is rhetorical.Ray: "Evolutionists commonly support evolution by saying evolution is true because the vast majority of scientists support."Huntard: "Do they now? If they do, they are idiots."Ray: Evolutionists are idiots but they feel the near unanimous support of ToE by scientists is good evidence of its veracity. The Bible enjoys mammoth support from persons of all walks of life, social status, and education. The issue, which you keep avoiding and evading, is credibility and reliability. The Biblical authors are held to be----saints----literally. Atheists are held to be infidels or liars.RayEdited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.

Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds, social and economic status, and education agree that the Bible is true: the Divinely inspired word of God. Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds, social and economic status, and education agree that the Bible is most credible and reliable, that is, a Book which reports what many persons were thinking. Yes, it is. And you seem to think that your personal "authority" is exempt from your own belief.Ray

My point was that the Bible has diverse support from persons from all walks of life, social status, economic status, and educational credentials.The Koran does not.How do you explain this kind and degree of support of a Text that reports what persons were thinking?Ray

Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds, social status, economic status, and educational credentials, disagree. Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds, social status, economic status, and educational credentials, disagree.While support of the Koran has the numbers it does not come close to all of said criteria.Ray

Hundreds of millions of persons from diverse backrounds, social status, economic status, and educational credentials, accept the Bible as true because it IS evidence and because of the corroborating evidence. Not even close.Muslim countries kill Christians and Christianity is illegal.You have resorted to self-evident nonsense equivalent to denying a round Earth or the Holocaust. Oh wait, Muslims deny the Holocaust too.Ray

In line with the topic:1. Even the most vocal critics of the Bible and Christianity (= the Jesus Seminar) admit that Christ lived.Do you agree?Ray

If critics do not dispute His existence then yes, of course----that is the point.Ray