The Bible's Flat Earth

Hi thingamabob,Welcome to EvC. The scripture no where says anything about the shape of the earth.It states that the one sitting on the circle of the earth.I read your other post about the equator and if God was sitting on the equator and He saw a human they would not be the size of grasshoppers. So that would be out.It could possibly be the circle the earth takes around the sun but there would still be a problem.It could possibly be the circle the sun and the earth take around the Milky Way but there would still be a problem.The only circle I can think of that would work would be the circle around the universe which would be the third heaven where God sits on His throne.From there He could stretch out the heavens.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi thing, Well the Bible says it was divided in the days of Peleg.But nobody will touch that.Science says it was divided between 200 and 240 MYA.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Coragyps, You left out the part where the one sitting on the circle of the earth stretched out the heavens.He could not be in this universe and stretch out the heavens. The first heaven being our Milky Way and the second heaven being the billions of galaxies.He could spread them from within but He would have to be outside to stretch them out.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi, But they are not the same therefore it is not a sphere.If I remember what I read it is supposed to become a sphere around 6013.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Coragyps, Agreed. Actually it was a misread. I got to quit reading charts into the wee hours of the morning.As the earth slows the pole diameter is getting larger.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi shalamabobbi, Why don't we just say it was one of the angels as the word ἀή translated star in Matthew 2:9 is used 24 times in the NT and it is referring to angels.Here is one instance for you. The angel could be as close as he wanted to be.But I don't see what that has got to do with the topic.So since this is off topic I will ask Percy for mercy and refrain from addressing it again.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi GM,You never cease to amaze me, especially when you want to pound Buz on the head.The first thing you need to do is get you a good Bible.The second thing would be to get the Holy Spirit to lead you in what it says.Nevertheless I will address your storehouses.A storehouse is a place where you store things until you need them.God has a storehouse that rises at least 1000 kilometers, above the earth as there is a trace of the Earth's 'hydrogen cloud' as its outer atmosphere.The clouds do not rise from the ends of the earth as you proclaim.The vapor rises from all extremities of the earth and forms the clouds.Wouldn't those extremities include all the surface of the earth.Now to your prophetic reference. What is the problem with the four angels standing on the four cardinal corners of the earth.The next verse says: So now you have another angel coming from the East corner of the earth.The Greek word translated four winds in Rev. 7:1,ἄ transliteration anemos, definition the four principal or cardinal winds.Since the writer is addressing the four cardinal points, what is the problem?Keep in mind that we are talking about points N, S, E, and W from where you are that could extend to the end of the universe not curve around the earth.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Ned, You could start by studying Hebrew and Chaldee for the OT and Koine Greek for the NT for 6 or 8 years. Then continue to practice it for 30, 40 or more years. That would give you a place to begin.Other than that you would need to take somebody's word for what was good and what was bad.Personally I never like to take anybody's word for anything today.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi GM, You have been arguing this entire thread that the earth is flat.You have argued that the writers only saw it as flat.Then you make the statement the authors had no concept that you could go as far East, West, North, or South as you wanted towards the stars, and that there was an angel at each end. Actually the text says treasures.Can you imagine how hot it would be without the wind? When you interpret the word to say what you want it to say you are proclaiming. Wouldn't that be determined from your point of perception.From inside a cave or from heaven any point on the surface of the earth would be an extremity. The extremities of the earth and the four cardinal corners of the earth are two different things.The source of the vapor that forms the clouds is the surface of the earth. The Eastern corner is where the angel will be standing when the prophecy is fulfilled.The West is 180 degrees in the opposite direction of the East. Well since the prophecy has not come to pass yet he is probably standing before the throne of God giving Him praise.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi GM, They are not presently standing at the four corners of the earth.They will be standing there in the future.If I had to guess where they are today I would say they are before the throne of God giving Him praise.The rest you have already decided.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi GM Granny I agree with thingamabob's message 115, so let me insert foot in my mouth and put forth what I believe the Bible teaches about the then known world.In Genesis 1:1 God created the heaven and the earth. A completed universe with a completed earth.God created it to be inhabited. Isaiah 45:18.In Genesis 1:2 the planet earth was not fit to be inhabited and God had to do some work on it.Genesis tells us: We have water in one place.We have land in one place. The dry land God called Earth.The waters God called sea.I believe that earth would look something like my avatar.Although the land mass could have been much smaller as more could have been covered with water.I believe you could stand on the four corners of that earth.This earth lasted until between 2200BC and 2000BC. The people were scattered abroad over the face of the earth that was shaped something like my avatar.After this event sometime in the lifetime of Peleg the earth (land mass was divided). How was these people who had been scattered and then the earth divided supposed to know their piece of land they were on was not all there was?So naturally everyone would probably think the earth was flat and that influenced their writing as they wrote from their experiences.The problem is that the Bible does not teach a flat planet although they had every right to believe in one.Isaiah was correct when he said God sat on the circle of the earth. God sits on His throne in the third heaven. The first heaven is where our Galaxy exists.The second heaven is where our Galaxy and all the other Galaxies in the universe exist.The third heaven is where God is on Hia throne, sitting on the circle of the earth.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi GM, Do you have proof that man did or did not exist on planet earth prior to 250 million years ago?Do you have proof that the super continent did or did not exist 10k years ago?I know according to science it took millions of years to move from the super continent to where it is today.I also know the super continent is expected to exist again in the future. (that is the one my avatar comes from).Now if God is in control and He created this universe, why would it be impossible for Him to take everything from the shape of my avatar and place it where it is today in a nano second?He spoke the whole universe and earth into existence in Genesis 1:1 in a nano second.Now to a discussion of what the texts say.1..Does Genesis 1:9 tell us the waters was in one place and the land in one place? yes/no 2..Does Genesis 1:10 tell us God called the land Earth and the water Seas? yes/noThe translators supplied the s on Sea as the original word is singular. 3..Would it be possible for someone or an angel to stand on the four corners (North, South, East and West) of the earth as pictured in my avatar? yes/no4..Does Genesis 11:8 tell us the Lord scattered them abroad on the face of the earth (land mass in Genesis 1:10)? yes/no 5..Does Genesis 10:25 and 1Chronicles 1:19 tell us the earth (land mass in Genesis 1:10) was divided in the days of Peleg? yes/no Since the answer to all those Questions is yes, why do you say I am talking Si-Fi?Why do you say I am mutilating the texts?Take the texts and show me where they do not say what they say, or what you think I say they say that they do not say. Why do they have to understand what they are writing if they are writing by the inspiration of God?Moses spent 40 days with God and I have no way of knowing what God showed to him in that time so he may very well have known exactly what he was writing about.Paul did when he was writing about the third heaven and I agree with his assessment of it. Asserts Granny Magda.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi GM, Really. SourceWhy don't you edit wikipedia to display the proper way to approach Orion then? I did not know there was such a thing as "empty space".Let see.The Heaven in Genesis 1:1 is the expanse, sky, space or what ever you want to call it that can be seen with the natural eye and everything beyond. Including what we cannot see with our most powerful telescopes.The Heaven in Genesis 1:1 is not a light producing object (refereed to by us as stars), a galaxy, a wanderer (planets) or a constellation.But on the other hand constellations, wanderer's and objects that produce light make up galaxies which reside in the heavens.The Bible records about the heavens being stretched out.It records about our present atmosphere, heaven being created in the heaven that was created in Genesis 1:1.The Bible records about the constellations in and out of our system.The Bible records about the heavens and earth having a beginning.When does Science tell us of these things?Plato didn't.Aristotle didn't.Galileo didn't. He did study the Milky Way, and discovered many things in it.So when did science know anything existed outside the Milky Way?According to information found Here it was 1924.The information has been in the Bible over 2300 years.How long has Science known the universe was expanding?According to the information found Here the 1920's.The Bible records it over 2300 years ago in Isaiah and Jeremiah. I have no idea why the translators made the statement, "have stretched out the heavens,".The Hebrew word is translated as such.The meaning of which is, "to stretch out, extend", which would give it an ongoing process.There is no reason for have or past tense to be employed.It would represent the older texts better if this: ", even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded."Read: "my hands stretch out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded."So you stand on your stump and proclaim your gospel all you want.The Bible writers did know many things, or at least wrote many things about the heavens before science was born.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi GM,So any things that you don't agree with is just dismissed like the questions I asked in Message 232 which got no reply at all.You are the one who keeps telling us what the Bible says so, why not answer the questions?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi kbertsche, When people are determined to prove their point they will take all means to do so.Like cherry picking one verse out of a song of David I Chro. 6:8 through I Chro. 6:36 and making it to be talking about cosmology. Clearly the following words (verses did not exist then) is the psalm.They are told to rejoice and seek the Lord.They are told to remember His marvelous works (GM assums these are creation).Like it would not have anything to do with God delivering them from Egypt and for fourty years providing food, water, and central air conditioning (cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night).They are told to remember His wonders and His judgments.God did judge them in the wilderness.They are reminded they are the chosen ones.They are reminded of His covenant, made with Abraham and the oath to Isaac.They were reminded to sing unto the Lord and show forth His salvation.They re told to declare His glory among the heathen.They are reminded to praise the Lord who made the heavens above all the gods, idols created by man.David reminds all to fear before Him all the earth.Then in the same verse he says "the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."The world not the earth shall be stable and not moved shaken.The earth is what was created in Genesis 1:1, not the world .Then David says "let the heavens be glad, the earth rejoice and men say The Lord reigneth. Let the sea roar and the fields rejoice, the trees sing.Then he reminds them God cometh to judge the earth and that he is good and His mercy endureth for ever.They were admonished to seek God for salvation and deliver Israel from the heathen.He then ends with Blessed be the Lord God of Israel for ever and ever. Yes he is claiming many things in this song. One is that God will establish Israel and take care of her as he has always because He has estabished her a chosen people.Many empires have come and gone.Little Israel still exists and are back in their land that God gave them and they shall not be moved.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."