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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined:
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This full phasing of Venus is unexplainable with the geocentric model of the solar system. Which explains why there is never an eclipse of a total Venus? Edited by bluescat48, : No reason given. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Speak to me of parallax, Smooth.
Tell me why only a subset of stars near the ecliptic make little back-and-forth squiggles once a year, while some of their brethren near the ecliptic poles make little circles, and some in between those extremes make ellipses. Why is that? Why was it only proven to happen 170 years ago? How can it happen if the earth isn't the one moving relative to the so-called "fixed stars?"
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rueh Member (Idle past 3692 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined:
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Hello SO,
SO writes: No, that would actually be the case in your model. Where the Earth just turns on it's axis and we have the different season, yet the Sun's intensity is the same. Negative, the Earth rotating on it's axis gives rise to day and night. Not summer and winter. In your post #65 you state. SO writes: Which would mean the seasons are entirely dependant on the distance from the sun. However since the two hemispheres expierence winter and summer seperate from each other, we know this can not be the case. Instead the seasons are defined by, the tilt of Earth's axis relative to the plane of revolution. The seasons are explained by Sun's orbit. In winter it is far from us, in summer it is closer to us. Abe: In regards to the link you submitted. I have nothing to say about that foolishness. Unless you can explain why, 1. A massive object like the Sun would be orbiting a smaller object like the Earth. 2. Why all the other planets orbit the Sun and how Earth is the exception to that rule. 3. Why the Sun should have shuch an exagerated vertical movement on it's orbital plane. 4. How this diagram explains the error of paralax for other stars. 5. How this diagram explains retrograde motion for other planets. Edited by rueh, : No reason given. Edited by rueh, : No reason given. 'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat' The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined:
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quote: It's declarations like this that make you think you're debating with an uninformed 4-year old. It just staggers belief.
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3132 days) Posts: 1548 Joined:
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Even my 4 1/2 year old daughter knows that the Earth goes around the Sun and the how day/night work, etc.
We take our 4 1/2" (114mm) reflector a couple of times a month and look at the moon and other celestial bodies. She loves it. It is truely sad what disrepair out education system is, if people really think like this. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Coragyps, I was wondering if anyone had brought up this issue.
Speak to me of parallax, Smooth. Tell me why only a subset of stars near the ecliptic make little back-and-forth squiggles once a year, while some of their brethren near the ecliptic poles make little circles, and some in between those extremes make ellipses. It's worse than that, as the stars that do move against the background stars are not all moving at the same time, rather they follow the same pattern, but at different synchronizations to the annual calendar cycle. When one is at maximum deviation from the average position, another is only part way there, and a third is near the average position. Curiously the pattern of deviation synchronizations exactly matches what would be predicted from an earth in an elliptical orbit around the sun. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Smooth Operator Member (Idle past 5144 days) Posts: 630 Joined: |
quote:Why don't you go and make a topic about it, and leave my alone? This topic is only for those who are really interested in geocentrism.
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Smooth Operator Member (Idle past 5144 days) Posts: 630 Joined: |
quote:The same thing predicted in Newtonian mechanics (NM), but NM doesn't use space-time paradigm. quote:No it can not. You can be stationary to one rotating object. But you can't be stationary to both objects that are rotating one around each other. It's a logical fallacy. quote:And where exactly do we see this?
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Smooth Operator Member (Idle past 5144 days) Posts: 630 Joined: |
quote:You obviously have problems reading, or you are so wraped in your heliocentric religion that you cant snap out of it. I already explained phases of Venus in both Ptolomaic and Tychonic models. In a Ptolomaic model, we just increase the size of the epicycle, and make Venus' orbit reach around the Sun. http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4490/ptoloikt.gif In the Tychonic model, it is a natural outcome of Venus orbiting the Sun. So this easy to debunk heliocentric evidence is never needed to be repeated again. File:Tychonian system.svg - Wikipedia
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Smooth Operator Member (Idle past 5144 days) Posts: 630 Joined: |
quote:I never said you could. But it's good enough for now. quote:Exactly, and that is why there is NO center ANYWHERE. No center to the universe, no center to the solar system. No center whatsoever. Centers are as relative as motions. quote:Umm... no. Center of gravity is not the same as absolute reference frame center. If you don't have that than you have no center. Yes, you can have a center of gravity, but that's not a real center. Anyway, the Sun is not the center of our solar system also, since it is turning around our solar system's center of gravity, which is about 500,000 km above the Sun. So teh Sun itself is not the center of our system any way you look at it. quote: Center of mass - Wikipedia
quote:There are no extrasolar planets. The first one was "directly" observed last year. So all the other ones were a pure invention. quote:So, people who disagree with you are scientifically-illiterate? Since when do you decide who is scientifically-illiterate, and who is not? quote:It's not the center even as we speak now. If relativity is true, it's also moving inside our own system. quote:Relative to other objects in our system. The supposed center of our system is 500,000 km away from the Sun's surface. It is orbiting around that point because that is the center of mass of our solar system. quote:Well you are probably dyslexic so you don't know what I'm talking about. If you want to know, I'm explaining to you how the universe functions if relativity is true. Any point you pick is the relative center of the universe in that case. If geocentrisam is true, than obviously, that is not the case. Than the Earth's center is the center of the universe. quote:Dyslexia - Wikipedia quote:Again, you are wrong about this. If you are looking for the center of mass of our system, than it's 500,000 km away from the Sun. Which Sun is also orbiting around. And no, the majority of scientists mean nothing to me. The majority of scientists thought that Sun revolved around the Earth 500 years ago, so why did we change? If the majority is ALWAYS right, than what's the point of discussing anything?
quote:No, I'm still a geocentrist. I'm just explaining to you that if relativity is true there is no center to anything. Center is what you pick to be the center. quote:I obviously disagree witht hem. quote:But you are assuming that redshift is a measure of distance and the speed of recession in the first place. I'm not assuming anything. I see them touching. It could be an optical illusion, but there is nothing to assume here. Hey, than again, anything can be an optical illusion.
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Smooth Operator Member (Idle past 5144 days) Posts: 630 Joined: |
quote:I'm not sure they do. aybe they do, maybe they don't we don't know. If they do, than that's becasue of Sun's gravity. quote:Observations have only indicated movement. But we can't say for sure what is turning around what. In my model the Earth is more massive. But of course, I'm not sure. quote:It's in teh center of the universe, so the forces cancel each other out.
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Smooth Operator Member (Idle past 5144 days) Posts: 630 Joined: |
quote:It's basicly the same, but not identical obviously.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Huntard, let's develop this scenario a little further.
And is your ship orbitin the Earth, or is it orbiting the Sun, or is it static relative to something else?
It is stationary to both the Earth and the Sun. You will see the Sun moving about the galaxy, and the Earth and all other planets orbiting the Sun. Lagrange point - Wikipedia
quote: A satellite camera in each of these 5 places will show the same thing: the rest of the solar system and universe will appear to revolve around a common center of the two objects in an annual cycle, which in the case of the sun and the earth will match the seasons perfectly, and the earth will be seen to spin on an axis tilted approximately 23.439281° in a daily cycle (except that L3 will have difficulty seeing the earth through the sun, and L2 will only see the corona of the sun around the spinning earth). The satellites will be locked in these positions and not need to expend any energy to remain in position, thus demonstrating that they are in fixed orbits that match the annual cycle against the background stars. The only object that matches the daily pattern will be the spinning earth. The mathematics of these positions is entirely and completely independent of any spin in either object, being the result only of their mass and relative position one to the other. The orbital period of these satellites around the common center must exactly match the orbital period of whichever is orbiting what. These satellite cameras can also exchange telemetric data that show their relative distances exactly, over the year adjusting as the earth and the sun move towards and away from each other due to the changing locations along their elliptical orbits. This will demonstrate that northern hemisphere experiences winter when the earth is closer to the sun and summer when it is farther, while the southern hemisphere will see the opposite seasonal patterns. In addition the axis of tilt of the earth relative to the earth\sun orbital plane will be seen to precess during the year but remain relatively fixed compared to the stellar background, with the north pole always pointing towards the north star. During the Northern hemisphere summer the pole region will be constantly lit. During the winter, constantly dark, while the southern pole will experience exactly the opposite pattern. The mathematics is determined by the relative masses of the two bodies, and in the case here, the sun must be many times more massive than the earth, as the 5 points form a pattern determined by the gravitational pull of each mass. The same can be done for each of the planets with similar results, as even Jupiter is small in mass compared to the sun. Either everything is manipulated by a joker god or the earth spins on it's axis while it orbits the sun. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : little bear tale by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Smooth Operator Member (Idle past 5144 days) Posts: 630 Joined: |
quote:Maybe because they are moving in this way. I've already explained the parallax, look it up.
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