Relativity is wrong...

DA, I think I'm in love

I'm fairly well travelled, and I have camped in the far north of Norway under the Midnight Sun. How does Smooth Operator explain this?

I see my simple question was ignored. Let me state in again: If this is too obscure, let me put it more plainly - the Midnight Sun cannot be in orbit about the Earth. You cannot obvserve a complete revolution of an orbiting body from a single location on the planet. If the Midnight Sun is indeed orbiting something, it is about a point outside the Earth itself.Thus, the Sun is not orbiting the Earth. If the Earth is not rotating, the Sun is orbiting a moving point on the extended Earth's axis, which ranges from above the North Axial Pole to below the South Axial Pole. That's some crazy shit, and has nothing to do with gravitation, whether Newtonian, Einsteinian, or Teslian. It has something more to do with a good dose of 'shrooms

Please explain how we can have a Midnight Sun in your geocentric universe?

and why exactly is it doing that?

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The seasons are explained by Sun's orbit. In winter it is far from us, in summer it is closer to us.
  —SO

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It's declarations like this that make you think you're debating with an uninformed 4-year old. It just staggers belief.

Of course you can perfectly describe the motion of the entire Universe - Moon, Sun, Solar System, Milky Way, and the rest - as revolving around a static Earth. The motions are hideous, the mathematics unspeakable and we have no explanative framework for why ANY of this occurs. But, it can be done. This is what SO insists we should do.However, when Aldrin and Armstrong stood on the Moon, they observed exactly the same situation. They could have insisted that the Moon is static, and the rest of the Universe is revolving around it. We would again have a hideous set of unexplained motions and mathematics. The problem is, this motion is entirely contradicted by the original motion as dictated by a static Earth. So which is correct? Why do we choose the Earth over the Moon?Now, if we apply the modern understanding of the Universe, we obtain an infinitely simpler set of motions, predictive mathematics, and an explanative framework of extraordinary capability comprised of modern relativity and cosmology.So, which do I choose? Earth centric, Moon centric, or the modern understanding? Or, to paraphrase, how f'in stupid do you think I am??? Edited by cavediver, : too many 'd's in hideous makes hideous look hiddeous

Yeah, I do feel a bit stupid

The shell of matter exerts no force at the centre (by simple symmetry.) However it will of course make the Earth rotate by the very same Lense-Thirring frame-dragging, as the Earth is an extended object. If the Earth is not rotating, what exactly is counter-acting the Lense-Thirring effect?

Hmmm... depends on whether you mean "rare" as in "staggeringly abundant throughout 20th Century theoretical physics"Such as - the whole of GR (not just black holes), anti-matter, the Ω^-, quarks and the whole of QCD, W⁺ W^- Z⁰ and the whole of electroweak theory, superconductivity, superfluidity, topological defects, etc, etc.So, yeah, rare

Of course he does - but we've just become totally accustomed to his craziness now. He has no model. He has zero predictive power. He doesn't believe in General Relativity, yet believes in the Lense-Thirring effect (an effect wholely based in General Relativity). And this very same effect that he claims makes the Sun and the planets rotate and spiral around us every 24 hrs, would by neccesity also make the Earth rotate - and the one central point to his argument is that the Earth does not rotate. You can see why we're all our asses off

Nonsense. The shell of matter exerts no force at the very centre of the Earth (by simple symmetry.) However it will of course make the Earth rotate by the very same Lense-Thirring frame-dragging, as the Earth is an extended object. If the Earth is not rotating, what exactly is counter-acting your Lense-Thirring effect? You have a rather large hole in your cosmology

Smooth Operator has no model. He has zero predictive power. He doesn't believe in General Relativity, yet believes in the Lense-Thirring effect (an effect wholely based in General Relativity). And this very same effect that he claims makes the Sun and the planets rotate and spiral around us every 24 hrs, would by neccesity also make the Earth rotate - and the one central point to his argument is that the Earth does not rotate. You can see why we're all our asses off BTW, SO will not reply to me because he's scared. So if anyone would like to carry on with utterly piointless thread, perhaps they could challenge him on the above points?

Of course you can perfectly describe the motion of the entire Universe - Moon, Sun, Solar System, Milky Way, and the rest - as revolving around a static Earth. The motions are hideous, the mathematics unspeakable and we have no explanative framework for why ANY of this occurs. But, it can be done. This is what SO insists we should do.However, when Aldrin and Armstrong stood on the Moon, they observed exactly the same situation. They could have insisted that the Moon is static, and the rest of the Universe is revolving around it. We would again have a hideous set of unexplained motions and mathematics. The problem is, this motion is entirely contradicted by the original motion as dictated by a static Earth. So which is correct? Why do we choose the Earth over the Moon?Now, if we apply the modern understanding of the Universe, we obtain an infinitely simpler set of motions, predictive mathematics, and an explanative framework of extraordinary capability comprised of modern relativity and cosmology.So, which do I choose? Earth centric, Moon centric, or the modern understanding? Or, to paraphrase, how f'in stupid do you think I am???

Great visual, but this is simply classic epicycles. You have to remember that this geocentric Solar System is sanity in spades compared to Smooth Operator's mental meltdown. The model depicted still accepts that the Earth rotates. Smooth Operator does not. The visual needs to spin around 365 times faster What a tool...