Relativity is wrong...

I don't think they even really believe the stuff they spew (probably 'cause they don't even understand it either). Its just the same old anti-science debate game. Prove the science to me and disprove the alternate theory. The game is in challenging the challenges. And the ones that cannot be challenged are ignored as they Gish gallop to the next challenge. They can be decent exercise, though, if you want to practice debating styles or something.

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Your mom goes to college.

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ABE in case you don't know the reference:
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O RLY?In Message 44 you wrote: uk.geocities.com/hesedyahu/TorahCreationat the bottom of that page:

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Whenever I'm discussing subject like this, a scripture comes to mind:

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The heavens, heavens belong to YHWH, but the earth he has given to the children of men. (Psalm 115:16)

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It also reminds me of what man was supposed to do in Genesis 1:26-28: have dominion over the earth and everything in it.

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Of course you advocate this stuff because of your religious belief. We see it a lot here.What's odd is that you accept some science and use science as a requirement for explanations when it already fits you preconcieved view but also reject all science that goes against your preconieved view. Its hypocritical.All you do is jump from one factual point to the other by saying "prove it"...How do we know this? Because of that. well, prove that. Oh, that is proven by this thing. Oh yeah, well prove this thing. Sure, that is proven by those. Prove those!And on and on. Its a common creationist tactic.You're also guilty of the Gish gallop, another common creationist tactic.So we know you're a creationist.And you're just playing the same old stupid "prove it" game.We know that you will only accept science that supports your religious belief and will reject all science that goes against your religous belief. You're just Special Pleading.You realize that nobody takes you seriously, yeah?You're just target practice

No shit.You don't respong to the refutations of your position either. All you do is say: "Nuh-uh" and then jump to the next point You're playing the "prove it to me" game. When someone offers proof that isn't 100% you jump all over it but when they do offer 100% proof, you just ignore it or hand wave it away, ahem...the LHC and Coriolis Effect.Anyone else in this thread could just as easily play your game with you in arguing that were actually in The Matrix and not sitting at computers at all.Its really fucking ghey.

Holy shit! You're right. I didn't even think of that.How could the sun going around the Earth and being closer or further throughout the year explain the seasons if the sun is going around the Earth every day!That's awesome. I bet it never crossed SO's mind before. It just goes to show that instead of actually thinking his position through, he's just parroting anti-science websites and playing the "prove it" game.

I didn't think of the tilt thing..but after I wrote that I though that you could image the sun's orbit gradually increasing, spiraling out, and then it somehow reverts and starts gradually decreasing, spiraling back towards us...then I thought: but that goes against the laws of physics....But you're right, if we're gonna throw out some science we could just as easily through out the physics that it goes against too.But that brings up my other point that I had earlier in the hypocrisy of him using the "science" that he does reference, or saying that his position is not based on religion but is based on science. He picks and chooses the science that fits his position and discards that science that disproves it.You could take any position with that stance.

After the geocentirism came up I've been thinking of this little animation I saw (i thought on wiki) of a simulation of a time lapse of the orbit of a panet (mars or venud, iirc). But there was a little loopty-loop in the orbit that was impossible to have if the Earth was stationary. I couldn't even remember the name of the type of orbit or whatever, but I think this parallax is close.Anyone out there know what I'm referring to? This image is what I'm talking about, but the animation was so much more effective in demonstrating it.It pretty much proves without a doubt that Earth is moving.

That's it!!! Thank you.Okay, here's the gif I was thinking of: Impossible if the Earth is stationary, not based on an assumption, and yet directly observable.It should fit SO's criteria and prove the Earth is in motion.I'm curious how he'll weasel his way out of this one. Probably by not responding at all :-\

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ABE:Here's the wiki page I got the image from:Retrograde and prograde motion - WikipediaEdited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

I guess SO will have to argue that the stars aren't really big fireballs really far away in space and are just these little lights in the firmament that move around.SO:Is the aether inside or outside of the firmament?

In Message 62, SO write:

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No, because we can see that the grass is green. We can't see the Earth orbiting the Sun, now can we?

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What a moron!

You're just making shit up to fit your preconceived notion of a geocentricity rather than doing science and following the evidence where it leads.All you've got is apologetics... and that is for religiously based arguments (like yours).Note: it is based on religion, as in religious belief.

Hubble Deep Field - WikipediaThis very small section of the sky: Contains all of these galaxies:Wikimedia ErrorABE: I just changed that from a thumbnail because its too huge to link too like that.which all contain solar systems.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

Look into the Hubble Deep Field <--- stars.

No. In short, your model fails to reflect reality and and is internally inconsistant.And FYI, that mass center of the solar system is at a point within the diameter of the sun so tot say the sun is at the center is technically not wrong.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.