Smelling The Coffee: 2010

LOL. GWB, if he did, was Commander In Chief of the nation's military, as George Washington was while he prayed in the hot of battle for victory over the enemy: another strawman, not applicable to my point.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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No. The Commander In Chief of the military, in agreement with a significant number of Congress and Senate with the blessings of the majority of the people, after much of the economy and over 3000 of our citizens were destroyed by an enemy made the decision to go to war with the nation which sanctioned, supported and supported the attack, for which the Taliban took credit.
People, including statesmen of all faiths were behind the action of the Commander In Chief of the military.When are you going to lay off the strawmen and address my legitiment point?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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As a matter of fact, Hooah, it matters not what individuals were on the planes to bring them down. The name of the war is/was The War On Terror. It was not a war declared on Afganistan or on Iraq. It was declared on Terror. That is whoever becomes a terror threat to the nations who participated in the war could expect reprocussions. Either Nato or the UN had ordered inspections in Iraq, which Iraq resisted. Thus it was assumed by Nato and many in our government that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It is assumed by many that as soon as Iraq knew war was imminent that their weapons went into Syria. Nobody knows.Having said the above, imo, occupation of either country will prove to be a fatal mistake. When will we ever watch Israel and learn from them. When attacked, you simply go, bomb the heck out of them and go home until they strike again. If they didn't learn the first time, give them a second lesson, a third etc until they decide it's not in their best interest to mess with you.It's fatal because we are spending ourselves into oblivion building up what politico-religious tyrannical regime as per Islamic ideology and arming them to the teeth with our sophisticated weaponry which we are training them to operate. What will they do with their nice shinny new armies with the modern tech? They will use it to fulfill the dream and prophecy of Mohammed their prophet, which is to dominate the planet. They, allied with Russia and northern Europe will become allied to first deal with Israel as they all together failed to do in the 1967 Six Day War. They together will dominate the UN agenda and the Western alliance nations will be reduced to whining spectators.The Bible prophecies are sooo on track with all of this as per Ezekiel 37-39, etc and it's all drawing the nations into the Middle East as per Zechariah, especially chapter 14, etc which culminates in Armageddon and the 2nd Advent of Jesus.BTW, I've been predicticting the Nuking of Vatican City for decades, including here at EvC. (Iran/Pakistan/North Korea etc nukes? They all hate the Vatican) It will happen; perhaps not for a decade or two and perhaps very soon, but it will happen. I'm using both logic and Revelation 17 and 18. I'm also applying the prophecies that Islam will prevail as a global dictatorial power. To do that Vatican has to go. This will eliminate that age long rival of Islam. The two politico-religious entities have kept each other at bay all of these centuries but Islam is fast leaving the Vatican in the dust so far as prolifically populating the planet and recruiting converted children.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Hooah. You know, I often appreciate your debate MO as a counterpart. Most, (I say 'most) of your reaponses are heavy on substance and light on yada.On the surface, you have cited a contradition in my position. My response is that as per the name and scope of the title, i.e. War On Terror is global since Islamic related terror is relatively global.It is inconceivable that after 9/11, that Nato would immediately attack all major fronts on terror. It must begin on one front, which happened to be the Taliban in Afganistan.There happens to be two major opposing sects of Islam, both involving a violent contingent as per the Koran and especially the Haddiths and Sunnah's, regarded equally for Islamic law and doctrine as the Koran. Thus all 30 or so fundamentalist Islamic polito-religious totalitarian regimes systematically and inherently involve an element of terror and violence. This has been the case since the 7th century when Mohammed wrote the Koran.At the time Islam originated there happened to be another politico-religious system, also not sactioned by NT scriptures which was the Roman Catholic Church in which the popes and bishops of the RCC, as was the case with Mohammed's relatively new religion had already become violently oppressive globally, calling the shots, so to speak in all of the major civilized nations, brutally torturing, imprisoning and killing dissidents.If there is anything good to say about either of these oppressive ideologies, it is that for centuries they kept one another at bay. Then, finally came the reformation, which essentially relatively peacefully kept both at bay via evangelization, particularly in Europe, publishing and dispensing the Bible to propagate a more fundamentalist gospel, as per the tennants of the Christian New TestamentAs per Jesus and his apostles, particularly Paul and John (Revelation) in the latter days, global apostacy, i.e. departure from truth would prevail, essentially corrupting the fundamentals of New Testament scriptures.Now, to get to my point, having explained the above, with the significant decline of RCC violence and the mediocrity and apostacy of all aspects of Christianity, as per the Biblical prophets, the violent systemic fundamentals of aggressive and organized factions of Islam emerge, essentially unchecked outside of military action.Thus, the at large War On Terror involves, to a lesser or greater extent all politico-religious Islamic totalitarian regimes.Hooah, I hope this helps for now. It's all I have time for at this time. I've gone at length to explain this, hopefully, in order that you don't take this as an excuse rather than a reason (as the TI back in USAF basic training would put it) for what could be construed as a contradiction. .OK, guilty; a bonafide Buz contradition ( that I was finished for now).Here in the US, where the Saudis are applying multiple millions building (trojan horse) mosques across the land; where our borders are essentially open, where secreted Islamic training camps proliferate, where 19 non-profiled nice looking Semetic looking young men, after eating in our resturants, attending our schools, shopping in our malls and all that ordinary citizens, enjoyed all of the blessings of the free world, all the while plotting the advancement of and massacre of as many infidels among us as possible in single fell swoops.In short, to answer your question, none of us know how many stealth terrorists we have rubbed shoulders with or seen.Unlike any war in history, the front line terrorist enemy combatants mingle freely among the politically correct sheeple of the free world, pathetically apprehensive to profiling in protecting populations. Providentially, one aware profiling, itty bitty isolated nation, stands alone, effectively holding at bay terrorism as per ancient Biblical prophecies..

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Oni, gotta run for now but in the meantime my response is:

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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This is true, CS, acccording to the Free Online Dictionary: The context of the written fundamentals of the New Testament (more exemplary of Icant's application) renders a narrower contextual definition than, say, when using it in the context depicting (abe: for example), a Christian culture or a Christion nation. Edited by Buzsaw, : add phrase and update message title

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Hi Granny. What worries you about extremist fundi Christians? What do you consider worrisome religious extremist relative to Christianity these days? I mean, how can you possibly compare the global Christian extremists a threat to you? Many folks consider me to be a religious extremist.Why is it that some of you people incessantly compare the threat of Islam to Christianity in these modern times? It appears to be a paranoia among some of you. Why?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Hi Modulous. Thanks for responding. There's a big difference in toxic and antisocial. Now, a new can of worms which begs the question of what applies to antisocial and to what extent does a religion become anti-social. Are home schooling parents anti-social? What would be some examples of inordinant anti-social religious restriction? So if one's religion is mono-theistic, it would be anti-social to restrict one's young impressionable children from Muslim, Wicca and poly-theistic religions as well as vise versa? It appears that you consider all religions anti-social, for example, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and others which discourages proselytation of other religions into their cultural circles.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Granny, Granny, listen up. All ideologies and aspects of human life have their nutcases. Citing this one lone incident by this one deranged nutcase is a strawman response to my question and my position. This one incident has now been cited three times in this thread, none having any relevance to the fact that fundamentalist Christians do not pose any significant terrorist threat to the planet as has, in recent history, been the case with secularist/athiestic communism and the fundamentals of Islam/Jihad and violence. The need to repeat three times for you people to cite this one incident or even a few isolated incidents by nutcases makes my point, that the fundamentals of NT Christianity pose no global threat whatsoever to humanity. LOL. The American system of government is a republic as per the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights, etc as per and instituted by the founding fathers whose majority espoused the fundamentals of NT Christianity and the Biblical Ten Commandments. LOL again. How does this freedom of speech pose a terroristic threat, any more than the fundamentals set forth in the Koran, the Haddith, the Sunnahs, the Communist Manifesto, quotes from Black Panthers, and in fact, some of the Christophobic hate speach here at EvC? 1. Where/what in the Constitution is there a cemented wall between church and state or against religion? Must I again, for the umpteent time repeat the fact that our founders advocated the Bible and Watts Hymnal IN ALL PUBLIC SCHOOLS and instituted church services IN THE HALLS OF CONGRESS, ACCOMPANIED BY THE US MARINE BAND? Are you trying to convince the www that our own founders desecrated the very laws which they drew up?2. Barton, thankfully, is apprising America on precisely and factually what the founders believed, practiced and had in mind/advocated when they established this republic.Here's my challenge to you, Granny. Cite one example of falsified information that Barton has published or proclaimed relative to the founding fathers or relative to the Constitution and explain to us how it has been falsified. Need I remind you that all nations in history at one time or another have practiced slavery? Need I remind you that it is the Republican Party whose first president was Abraham and the scores of thousands who died and maimed all, worked for the emcipation and integrating of slaves and blacks? Do you ever assimilate anything said, which empirically refutes your irrational ranting, Granny? Wake up and SMELL THE COFFEE, Granny. Mohammed and his successors all have declared a fatwa of global domination, meaning that all infidels, i.e. non-Muslims must become under Islamic fundamentalistic Shariah law. Barton is right on as always. Your unsupported allegations sounds to me like Christophobic and unsupported hate speach, Again do you read or think before your post, Granny? Did you bother to refute my previous point that Uganda is engaged in civil war among factions? Particularly in Africa, atrocities are often perpetrated by both sides of a faction conflict.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hooah, I'm assuming by some of what you have posted that you are in the mid 30's or so agewise. I was born in 1935. LOL. When I was in school out in rural Wyoming, a slim majority of my classmates were professing Christians. The majority of the town fathers were not professing Christians. In the 1950s during my four years in the USAF, I was one of the slim majority of professing Christians. By then, baby, we'd gone a long way down the slippery slope from the time of our founders. By the 1960, before your were likely even born, we pretty much lost it, so far as a Christian mindset in government and on the streets of our towns and cities.So what you see, Hooah, is what we've gotten from the largely secularist powers that be. The majority of professing Christians in America who even have a clue of what the NT teaches, for the most part, consider the fundamentals of Jesus and his apostles who wrote the NT as irrevalent, archaic and radical.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Hi Bluescat. Such as, for example? I'm surprised. I thought that you thought that it was us Biblio-Christo-fundis who were the irrevalent, archaic radicals.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Bluescat, perhaps you should go back and carefully read my message to which you responded. In it I referred to the ones who "consider the fundamentals of Jesus and his apostles who wrote the NT as irrevalent, archaic and radical."Do you really think that the above list of folks consider the fundamentals of Jesus and his apostles who wrote the NT as irrevalent, archaic and radical?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Well then, lets see; the majority of the members of this board, particularly the more secular minded folks regard the NT such fundamentals of Jesus and his apostles as hell, heaven, baptism, Jesus the only way to God, salvation via Jesus, leadership role of the man, sinful sex outside of marriage, love your enemies, ID creation, Armageddon, 2nd advent of Jesus, just to name a few, as irrevelant. Aren't you implicating folks like yourself along with Christ professing hypocrits?Wouldn't you consider Jesus and his apostles as intolerant to all the the Bible regards as sin, such as adultery, fornication, men lusting with men, leaving the natural use of the body, pagan religions, false doctrines, those who deny the power of God, worshipping the creature, rather than the creator, etc?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi. HyroglyphxI assume you got your quotes here or some similar cite. The nice thing about this cite is that at the top of each page you get the con arguments and quotes and at the bottom you get the responding pro arguments and quotes. Some of the pro quotes are from the very same men whom you quote above.We can all quote mine arguments pro and con. The fact remains that the policies of founders like Jefferson such as church in Congress and the Bible and Watts Hymnal in all of the schools attest to the fact that the Biblical principles of Christianity predominated in the founding of the nation.The quotes of Adam and Jefferson implicated the oppressive Angican Church/state of England and the popes and bishops of Roman Catholicism during the dark ages. No central organized religion was to be established by the government in its Constitution or laws. This did not forbid the practice of religion in and out of government as the policies of Jefferson, Adams and all of the founders demonstrated.As per one of my previous messages, the nature of a republic such as our founders established is that the policies of the representive majority would prevail so far as religion, etc. Thus the bent to Christianity in early US government. Now that the electorate has liberalized to a more secularistic mindset, the role of Christianity in government diminishes.The solution to one's wishes is to muster up majority vote in the poles; not to implement new laws, forbiding the exercise of religion and free speech which the Constitution and the Bill of Rights guarantees for our republic.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Ok, Iblis, which fundamentals of Jesus and the apostles which I cited above were not the tennants of the majority of America's Protestant churches up until the 1950s? (I say Protestant, because so far as I'm aware, none of the founders were RCC. ) and the majority of American churches were protestant.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.