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Message 118 of 276 (568996)
07-19-2010 5:02 PM

Reply to: Message 116 by Big_Al35
07-19-2010 6:46 AM

Re: Clarity

The courts are full of cases which due to a "lack of evidence" are unsuccessfully prosecuted. More usually however, there is overwhelming evidence for a successful legal challenge but the perpetrator still goes acquitted due to technicalities, poor lawyers, costs, or a failure to interpret the evidence.

Please provide evidence, statistics, studies or whatever you have to back this up.

I won't hold my breath.

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Message 121 of 276 (569118)
07-20-2010 11:15 AM

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07-20-2010 8:56 AM

Re: Clarity

So no evidence, statistics or studies to back up your assertion?

What a surprise.

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Message 122 of 276 (569120)
07-20-2010 11:35 AM

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07-20-2010 8:56 AM

Re: Clarity

Oh I get it. You are trying to be clever.

So this is how you debate.

1) You make an unevidenced assertion.
2) You are called on it. People ask for your evidence.
3) You demand evidence showing that your assertion is not true.

Very poor form. Also, the sign of a fool or a liar. Or both.

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Message 138 of 276 (569289)
07-21-2010 10:18 AM

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07-21-2010 9:27 AM

Re: Clarity

Your argument is ridiculous on its face.

Are you suggesting that my claim that "the courts are full of cases which....." falls in the same category as the ridiculous name you give above!

Obviously it does fall in the same category, since everyone has questioned it.

might agree but I would disagree.

You seem to think you can just make up shit willy-nilly and others should accept it as fact. There has been empirical evidence presented already showing you that you are wrong.

We have all noticed that you have presented no evidence to back up your assertion, even after evidence was provided that you are full of shit.

You have fallen back on the old creationist, half-wit, position.

Creationist and Moron writes:

Well, we just need to agree to disagree

Only an idiot would agree to disagree with empirical facts.

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Message 141 of 276 (569348)
07-21-2010 1:40 PM

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07-21-2010 12:52 PM

Wow still no evidence

It is truly amazing. You have made 7 posts since you made your ridiculous claim. Still not one iota of evidence.

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Message 144 of 276 (569368)
07-21-2010 3:35 PM

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07-21-2010 2:43 PM

Delusional much?

This bullshit....erm....evidence supports my claim! I don't expect you to understand that mind.

Please explain how that evidence supports your claim. Or are we going to get you classic "read what I posted already"?

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Message 152 of 276 (569586)
07-22-2010 11:21 AM

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07-22-2010 11:10 AM

Re: Clarity

....but this is a great opportunity to get back on topic. Let's do this now. Moderators...where are you?

Great idea. Lets call the moderators. Then they can read the thread and see that you are not following forum rules.

Your dishonesty is more than I am willing to deal with. Trolls should not be fed.

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Message 165 of 276 (581094)
09-13-2010 4:06 PM

Reply to: Message 164 by riVeRraT
09-13-2010 3:57 PM

Wrong!!

No that is wrong.

How many times must it be explained to you.

If I don't collect stamps is not collecting stamps my hobby?

I don't have a belief that there is not god. I lack a belief there is a god. The existence or non-existence of a god has no effect on me. Belief is an active thing, lack of belief is not.

Why do theist assume that everyone else must have beliefs and faith just like them? We atheists do not.

right, you don't believe there is a god, that is your belief.

You can think this all you want but you are wrong.

Edited by Theodoric, : spelling

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Message 189 of 276 (582106)
09-19-2010 8:38 PM

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09-19-2010 8:27 PM

Re: Atheism IS a belief

Sounds like you are treading very closely to a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

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Message 190 of 276 (582107)
09-19-2010 8:41 PM

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09-19-2010 8:29 PM

Re: Atheism IS a belief

You might want to read the next line in wikipedia.

quote:
Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.

Selective quoting is rarely a good idea.

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Message 266 of 276 (588118)
10-22-2010 10:34 AM

Reply to: Message 253 by Damouse
10-20-2010 8:20 PM

As an atheist let me say this

-I believe there is no god.

Wrong. I have no belief there is a god. I do NOT believe there is no god. In order to have that belief there have to be some reason for me to even consider whether there is a god. There is no reason for me to consider that premise.

-I no not believe in god

I have no belief that there is a god. Even if there was some god to believe in what one am I supposed to believe in. Remember you and I are the same, except I am atheistic to one more god than you.

-I do not believe in theistic conclusions

Why should I have such a belief there are?

I believe only the physical world exist

You need to define this more if you expect people to agree or disagree. This seems to me to be a fundy set up here more than anything else.

These are all ideas an atheist may have, and none of them are exclusive, even thought the first two express disbelief and belief about the same topic in equal measures.

You have shown that you have no idea of the ideas an atheist may have. Maybe you should quit telling us what we think and listen to what we tell you we think.

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Message 268 of 276 (588170)
10-22-2010 4:49 PM

Reply to: Message 267 by Damouse
10-22-2010 3:43 PM

Re: As an atheist let me say this

No, i dont. What i posted was a belief of mine; i didn't hold it up to be argued. I dont have to defend it and i dont have to phrase it nicely for you, its a statement of fact about me.

Why bother posting something if you are not willing to explain what it means?

Maybe you should learn to read the whole thread. Dont be an ass.

You make a comment that this is an argument about semantics. I am telling you that it is not an argument about semantics. Maybe to you it is, but to many atheists(me and others) it is not an argument about semantics. My post was an attempt to show that you are incorrect in stating it is a semantic point.

Are you literate? The section quoted is from possible beliefs an atheist may have, you and responded with "wrong." I have this particular belief, and im an atheist. What is "wrong?" You treat every quote as an attack against you.

I agree I misread your post. I read it as ayou saying what atheists believe. We have very different ideas about atheism. This should put to rest any idea that atheism is a structured belief system.

All that said.

-I believe only the physical world exists

Sounds very much like a fundy setup. As you will not define what this statement means all it is is word salad. As I said before, it seems a waste of pixels if you are going to make a statement and then refuse to explain what it means.

I disagree with your interpretation of atheism so I am an ass? If you are not willing to defend your comments don't post.

ABE

You seem to have made this post just to be snarky, with no contribution to the general conversation at all. You dont even seem to have read the posts following the one you quoted because if you had, you would have seen me admit being wrong and understanding the middle ground.

I post replies as I read. I do not finish the thread and go back. Maybe you feel I was piling on, it was not meant to be. No matter what you said later, I still feel it was necessary and proper for me to reply. I do not feel that your later changes fully expressed what I felt.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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