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Author Topic:   Evolution: Natural selection vs. Godly guidance
hooah212002
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Message 23 of 154 (588809)
10-28-2010 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by shadow71
10-28-2010 12:09 PM


Funny how you claim science doesn't provide proof yet you provide none for your god even though you claim he does EVERYTHING. Wouldn't his finger prints be everywhere???? This isn't going to be another "well, stuff looks designed......." thread, is it?
My belief is that "natual selection" is a term coined by scientists to describe what God has and is continuing to create.
I publicly believe that there is a supernatural being that created the universe and all in it.
Is this a thread about cosmology or NS? Your OP mocked NS, not the origin of the universe.
When in my post I referred to "proof....
The term you are looking for is evidence since this is a science forum and not a law forum.
In Science I belive there must be cause for what is happening in this universe, and I don't believe Science can prove that cause is natual.
Again, your OP mocked NS, not cosmology. Let's keep this to one topic, eh?
Edited by hooah212002, : clarified reason for usage of the term evidence

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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hooah212002
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Message 29 of 154 (588823)
10-28-2010 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by shadow71
10-26-2010 5:10 PM


Do Scientists, especially who I refer to as "evangelical atheistic naturalists" such as Dawkins, Dennett et.al. apply a different "standard of proof" for naturalist scientific theories than for Design theories?
First, you ought to define "evangelical atheistic naturalists". Normally, evangelical refers to religionists (especially since the definition for term IS steeped in religion).
Second, you might want to point out what a design theory is. No "design theory" has yet to stand up to even the most rudimentary standards of what a 2nd grader knows as science.
For example when secular naturalist scientists refer to natural selection in evolution it is accepted as fact that there is such an entity. However can anyone prove the existence of natural selection?
NS is not an entity. It is a function of nature that is very well known. So well known, in fact, that we even have artificial selection (dog breeding, for example).
What if, as I believe, evolution is the continuous creation by a supernatural being, who created and continues to creathe and evolve the natural world?
You can believe whatever you want. However, this particular discussion happens to be in the science section of EvC so you might want to provide some evidence of your "god", catholic or otherwise.
How can sceintists accept a belief in natural selection as superior to my belief in the supernatural's continuous creation as the cause of evolution.
Easy. Natural selection is not a belief and has evidence. Anything supernatural can only be found inside the crazy minds of religionists and has no evidence.
Where is the proof?
Surely you mean evidence, as only mathematics deals in proofs. The evidence has been available since Darwin came up with the idea. Darwin's Finches

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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hooah212002
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Message 32 of 154 (588830)
10-28-2010 3:11 PM
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10-28-2010 3:03 PM


I never said Darwin used them as evidence for NS. All I meant was that they are evidence for NS and, as evidence, have been available since the inception of the idea by Darwin.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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hooah212002
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Message 37 of 154 (588844)
10-28-2010 4:33 PM
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10-28-2010 3:36 PM


Dawkins, Dennett et al. are trying to convert people to atheism, thus evangical.
Perhaps you've some quotes or video of them doing as such? You should note that pointing out the idiocy of faith is not the same as evangelizing.
You will also note that I responded to your whole post.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 91 of 154 (589091)
10-30-2010 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by subbie
10-30-2010 1:14 PM


Re: Behe on Intelligent Design
Add to that the fact that Behe had to admit that to allow ID as science would also allow astrology as science.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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