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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Are you even reading what I write? Of course I am. That is why I am wondering about the counter to that. Which you seem to want to completely ignore. I see Jar asked the question, so how about addressing it. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Exactly. There's no good reason to have to avoid using the phrase "Merry Christmas". In a sense I agree. I will say Merry Christmas on the 24 & 25 of December, similarly I will say Happy Chanukah during the eight days of Chanukah, Happy New Year on December 31 & January 1 Happy St.Nicholas day on December6, Happy Winter Solstice on the 21-22 Devcember etc. Otherwise between Thanksgiving & My Birthday (9 Jan) I say Happy holidays. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Are those who are offended or complain about not being greeted with "Merry Christmas" wrong for it? Yes. My complaint is about the people who want to stop "Merry Christmas" from being used because they think its offensive or pushing religion on others.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
My complaint is about the people who want to stop "Merry Christmas" from being used because they think its offensive or pushing religion on others. Well, assuming that there even are such people, the fact would be that it is pushing religion just as Happy Chanukah is pushing Judaism. Merry Christmas is a religious statement. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
In a sense I agree. I will say Merry Christmas on the 24 & 25 of December, similarly I will say Happy Chanukah during the eight days of Chanukah, Happy New Year on December 31 & January 1 Happy St.Nicholas day on December6, Happy Winter Solstice on the 21-22 Devcember etc. Otherwise between Thanksgiving & My Birthday (9 Jan) I say Happy holidays. I don't have a problem with using "Happy Holidays", or anything really. I wouldn't even be offended by someone wishing me a "Happy Chanukah". I think its wrong to say that wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" is offensive and/or is pushing your religion on them.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
My complaint is about the people who want to stop "Merry Christmas" from being used because they think its offensive or pushing religion on others. Who are these people? Do you have any real world examples, because I've never heard of it happening. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well, assuming that there even are such people, There are, in this thread...
the fact would be that it is pushing religion just as Happy Chanukah is pushing Judaism. How is a greating pushing religion?
Merry Christmas is a religious statement. Not necessarily. I have other posts in this thread about that if you want to discuss it. I gotta go, though.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Christmas like Easter and Pentecost are Christian Holy Days, religious in nature and specific to one particular religion.
A greeting that only pertains to one specific religion is pushing religion, a specific religion. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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subbie Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Christmas is more than that. I celebrate Christmas and I'm not a Christian. And there are a great deal of trappings associated with Christmas in this country that have nothing to do with the Christian holy day.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm not sure how that changes the reality of Christmas?
And yes, I agree that the Holy Day has also been secularized, but that is not really relevant to the topic of some imagined war on Christmas. I'm still waiting for some evidence that there really are folk that believe as CS asserts when he said: "My complaint is about the people who want to stop "Merry Christmas" from being used because they think its offensive or pushing religion on others." I can see the argument that it is pushing religion; Christmas is only a Holy Day for one particular religion. That much is a fact. Whether or not it is offensive is an entirely different issue. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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subbie Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Well, I routinely say "Merry Christmas" this time of year, and I'm certainly not pushing religion. In particular, I'm not pushing a religion I disagree with. For me, it has a purely secular meaning. I guess if you want to argue that it's pushing religion just to say "Merry Christmas," I'm willing to listen to what you have to say. But I know for a fact that it's not always pushing religion.
However, I certainly agree with your skepticism about the claim that there are people trying to ban use of the phrase. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi subbie, I object to calling it a christian holiday.
I celebrate Christmas and I'm not a Christian. Likely what you celebrate is yuletide, with the trees decorated, the family and feasts, and the sharing of gifts. These celebrations have nothing intrinsic to do with christianity, and christianity has nothing to do with the 25th of December to mark it out as a special date to that faith in any way. It's an ancient festival to celebrate the winter solstice. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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subbie Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Perhaps you should tell that to the millions of Christians who've co-opted the day for themselves. I'm aware of what you say.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
frako writes: Political correctness has gone way to far in your country New Cat's Eye writes:
I'm not convinced of that.Indeed. If I go by the complaints that I occasionally hear, then it has gone too far. But if I go by my own experience, I'm led to wonder whether the complaints are gross exaggerations. Jesus was a liberal hippie
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
There are, in this thread... Can you provide real world examples and examples in this thread? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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