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Author Topic:   New theory about evolution between creationism and evolution.
New Cat's Eye
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Message 36 of 433 (602128)
01-26-2011 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by zi ko
01-26-2011 1:13 PM


Re: Check your premise
My only possible answer is: maybe all these spescies have their own communicating system.
Or maybe you're wrong You ever consider that as a possible answer?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 39 of 433 (602133)
01-26-2011 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by zi ko
01-26-2011 1:42 PM


Catholic Scientist writes:
My only possible answer is: maybe all these spescies have their own communicating system.
Or maybe you're wrong You ever consider that as a possible answer?
' Of I may be wrong. But we all have to try to find logical answers. Somebody may find abetter one later."
You posit that evolution employs some kind of communication between parent and offspring while totally failing to consider that the majority of species have no means of this communication.
The logical response to this is not "well maybe they do have the communications". The logical response is "oh yeah, it looks like I was wrong".

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 44 of 433 (602187)
01-26-2011 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by zi ko
01-26-2011 2:12 PM


My answer was hypothetical. Would you like me to say that God's Will is the link between these spescies?
I would like you to say what you mean and mean what you say.
Why hide God's Will behind esoteric language?
Or there is no any communication at all and blind chance is the origin to their creation and evolution?
Bzzzt. Common creationist misunderstanding of evolution....
"Blind chance"
The chance aspect of mutation is only part of the theory, the other part is the selection process that makes the whole thing no longer "blind".

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 54 of 433 (602280)
01-27-2011 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by zi ko
01-27-2011 1:52 AM


In general i agree. i can't give clear answers.I should say just i don't know.
Indeed.
From a point and then you have to choose between different beliefs.
I don't think so. I didn't choose to believe in evolution. I was involuntarily convinced by the evidence. Actually, I wouldn't even say that I "believe in" evolution. It is simply a fact that I don't reject. And the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation of the fact that we see.
Our effort is to make our chosen one more logically accepted by ourselves.
That should be a red flag... that, one, you've had to choose this belief, and two, you have to make it more accepted to yourself. Just let the evidence speak for itself and stop making stuff up.
Disregarding evidence and instead imagining things and going: "maybe this happened, maybe it was that way" isn't doing very much of anything. You'd be doing just as much wondering how The Force has guided evolution.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 62 of 433 (602292)
01-27-2011 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by zi ko
01-27-2011 10:09 AM


It isn't amatter of believing or not to evolution.Evolution is accepted by me as a fact.It is about on which rules does it runs.My theory tries to expand natural explanation to the logical point, after which my stand will be a matter of belief.
Oh, okay. That makes more sense.
Your problem is that the point you're expanding to does not follow logically. It turns out that you're just plain wrong.
Knowledge is not passed on through generations via DNA. Its impossible.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 75 of 433 (602417)
01-28-2011 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by zi ko
01-27-2011 10:58 PM


Pah-lease
I don't say "believe me , i am right". But only" think, maybe there is another truth than this you unquestionably now believe".
Well that's awefully presumptuous and pretentious of you
I don't think anyone who's discussed with you in this thread unquestionably believes anything.
And your "idea" is so bad that the people here have already invested more time in trying to help you than its worth.
This whole "maybe I am right" stuff is bullshit. I mean, maybe the Flying Spagetti Monster is controlling evolution.
But since we've recognized your idea as crap, you're sticking with it maybe being right but us just not wanting to consider it because we don't want to question current theory. Pah-lease

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 77 of 433 (602429)
01-28-2011 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Bolder-dash
01-28-2011 11:32 AM


Knowledge is not passed on through generations via DNA. Its impossible.
Well, it may not technically be DNA that passes on these life experiences, but knowledge is being passed on just the same. Does it matter if its physically our DNA doing this, or some other genetic pathway-just as long as it in in fact happening? You saying that this is impossible sounds rather naive.
What is impossible is the knowledge being passed on via DNA.
From your source:
quote:
Epigenetics adds a whole new layer to genes beyond the DNA.
From wiki:
quote:
In biology, and specifically genetics, epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in phenotype (appearance) or gene expression caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence,

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 79 of 433 (602438)
01-28-2011 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Bolder-dash
01-28-2011 12:10 PM


But so what, what's your point?
The knowledge of the organisms lifetime is being passed on genetically.
Why does it matter if its located in the DNA? Its somewhere.
Zi ko's harebrained idea is that it is passed on through the DNA and he is wrong.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 101 of 433 (602724)
01-31-2011 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by zi ko
01-31-2011 10:30 AM



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New Cat's Eye
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Message 106 of 433 (602758)
01-31-2011 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Larni
01-31-2011 2:38 PM


Are you getting the same impression that he's really young? Like a teenager or something...

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 129 of 433 (603796)
02-07-2011 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by zi ko
02-07-2011 1:17 PM


So then your non-theory really is worthless, isn't it?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 232 of 433 (623894)
07-14-2011 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by zi ko
07-14-2011 11:27 AM


Re: "Theory" in Science
In view of your 'evidence' against i would like to make a question:
In case that one or more researchers proved that nerous system does intervenes in evolution process and empathy has effect on genome, how would you call my"speculations" then?
A lucky guess with a ridiculous coincidence.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 235 of 433 (623904)
07-14-2011 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by zi ko
07-14-2011 12:34 PM


Re: DOUPTING IS THE BEAUTY OF SCIENCE
Surely a very "bad" luck for some "believers" of dogmatic and suspicious science.
How pompous!
You really do think that your speculations have some value and that the opposition to them is because of their nature
That's hilarious!

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 239 of 433 (623921)
07-14-2011 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Larni
07-14-2011 1:04 PM


Re: "Theory" in Science
Untill that time comes you will be known as somebody without the slightest scientific acumen.
You forgot to mention the conceit...

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 259 of 433 (626459)
07-29-2011 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by zi ko
07-29-2011 11:52 AM


Re: "Theory" in Science
This is the base of my ideas. environment affects genome.
You mean how like there's some Natural Selection that weeds out different genomes that arrise through Random Mutations?
By golly, I think you're on to something!

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