Existence

Just thought I would post the thoughts of a man who firmly believed in relativity and god. Religion wasn't a limiting factor in his life, it never stopped him from using his mind to its fullest potential. His work is as relevant today as when he first published it, and I guess he wouldn't be child-like if his work was to be proven wrong. He would learn from it. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

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"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. ThompsonAd astra per aspera

This is a firmly disputed factoid. I don't think he actually did. A higher power? Perhaps.

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"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion.Albert Einstein, in a letter to Hans Muehsam, March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 218.------------------------------------------------------------Why do you write to me ‘God should punish the English’? I have no close connection to either one or the other. I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him.Albert Einstein, letter to Edgar Meyer, a Swiss colleague, January 2, 1915; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 201.------------------------------------------------------------ Well, you're half right.

Guess I should've read more of his letters, and quotes. We cant all be right and I am obviously wrong, or at least partly so.

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"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. ThompsonAd astra per aspera

Hi Paul, Gravity alone will change the frequency. And if I am not mistaken temperature can also change the frequency.

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cesium standard: A primary frequency standard in which electronic transitions between the two hyperfine ground states of cesium-133 atoms is used to control the output frequency. (188) Note : The energy level between the two hyperfine ground states corresponds, in the absence of external influences (e.g. , the magnetic field of the Earth), to a frequency of 9,192,631,770 Hz.

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emphasis mine. SourceI would interpert that to say the closer to the earth the slower the frequency. I could be wrong.I can't make 'source' go to the exact page but if you click on the letter c under the letters, and scroll down to cesium standard and click it you will reach the quote. What happened to the part where I said "they have to match"?The GPS satellite clock and the earthbound clock has to match. If they don't the system will not work.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi hooah, I just prefer to call that eternal existing one God.Rather that a higher power.
Or string theory, or instanton, or God particle, or higgs bosom or any of the other names or hypothesis of what caused the universe to begin to exist in the form we see it today.Just as many as there are for any of these other things I mentioned.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I know you believe this. That is a cop-out. We don't want "pretty accurate". We want the most accurate measurement it is possible to make. We want accurate to within 1 second every 3.7 billion years.So we have two clocks. One constructed in, and residing in, Bolder. One constructed in, and residing in, Greenwich. Both of them are constructed identically to be accurate to within one second every 3.7 billion years. I have the readout from each of these clocks side by side on the computer screen in front of me (in Madrid).If I want to very very precisely measure how long something takes which clock should I use and why?

Hi fear, You really want to know what I think.I think they could just make up a time and as long as the clocks in the satellites and the one on earth were in sync the system would work.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, Either one as long as they have been adjusted to the 9,192,631,770 Hz. frequency.In fact you could use any of the clocks in the GPS system as they are all adjusted to operate at the 9,192,631,770 Hz frequency.Time is not affected by the location of the clock, the rate of duration stays the same.The clock mechanism is affected by the gravity or movement of the clock.The stronger the gravity the slower the frequency.
The colder the atom the slower the frequency.
The more excited the atom the faster the frequency.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

gravitational time dilation affects everything, even light.light travels slower in a gravitational field (as measured by an observer far away)

I don't give a fuck what you call it. I asked you if you had any evidence for his claims. I mean, you started this thread and it is entitled "existence". Now you claim to know some fella who claims to be "the existing one" and say he or it is responsible for all existence. Well, back up that claim with the same amount of evidence you are requesting from the science side. Oh, dear, sweet, stupid, gullible ICANT. You've no idea what the higgs boson is, do you? I'll hazard a guess and say that you don't even know what CERN is, either. You see a sensationalist article that claims to be searching for the "god particle" and you attribute it to .....everything ever? The difference is, ICANT, is that none of those things have ever claimed to be "the existing one". That is what I called you out on.Thanks for not answering me.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

No, this is incorrect, as we've very patiently explained. Time dilation isn't something that happens to clocks, it's something that happens to time. The "rate of duration" differs between different inertial reference frames. GPS clocks don't have to be corrected because their mechanisms slow down in high orbit - if you travel along with an uncorrected GPS clock to the same high orbit, you wouldn't perceive any degree of slowing down at all. You'd see Earthbound clocks speed up. But if you had stayed on Earth, you would have seen the clocks on Earth stay the same, but the GPS clock in high orbit would appear to be slower.That's not because of something that's happening to the clocks. It's because of something that's happening to the time where those clocks are. The stronger the gravity, the greater the force of acceleration, and therefore the slower the time. Vibration of atoms is a function of mass, not weight. Same as a pendulum.

I note that ICANT is no longer responding to my posts. That's not a problem and in fact is quite reasonable. ICANT has plenty of other detractors to respond to.Nonetheless, it is pretty easy to demonstrate that ICANT is wrong. The magnetic field does not have the effect he claims.Earth's magnetic field is not a simple function of distance from the earth. It's strength varies with longitude and latitude both on the surface of the earth and in space around the earth, even at constant distance from earth. So, the fact that the clock rate could be influenced by magnetism does not produce the result that "the closer to the earth the slower the frequency" as ICANT suggests. In reality, the cesium clocks are shielded from the influence of magnetism.http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cesium.html

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This frequency is electronically divided down and used in a feedback control circuit ("servo-loop") to keep a quartz crystal oscillator locked to a frequency of 5 megahertz (MHz), which is the actual output of the clock, along with a one-pulse-per-second signal. The entire apparatus is shielded from external magnetic fields.

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The CS atom generates a frequency of 9,192,631,770 per second. To determine time using this frequency, the CS frequency is divided down to something easier to work with (e.g. 5 or 10 Megahertz [Mhz]). We determine the time by counting those subdivided pulses. One way of correcting the clock is to include a frequency synthesizing circuit in the divider to compensate for general relativity effects. Obviously, this correction method can only work for constant, pre-known relativisitic effects. Counting the cycles gives us the time.It is merely necessary to add or subtract from the count in order to correct the time. What is not done is adjusting the frequency generated by the cesium atoms. In fact every attempt is made to keep that frequency constant. The temperature is maintained at a constant value.Of course that gravity is not being manipulated to synchronize the clocks. Nobody knows how to do that. The clocks don't have to match. It is enough that we know the degree of mismatch. As someone has already explained, what is done currently is that the clocks are periodically synchronized. For that reason it is no longer easy to measure the relativistic effects by analyzing the satellite clocks. Some additional correction for relativistic effects is done at the receiver. For example, the Sagnac-Effect varies with receiver position and must be performed at the receiver.For those who are fascinated by relativity denial, Conservapedia has an article full of such rantings. The author seems to think relativity is some kind of liberal plot.http://conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_Relativity

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The theory of relativity is a mathematical system that allows no exceptions. It is heavily promoted by liberals who like its encouragement of relativism and its tendency to mislead people in how they view the world

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The article includes a list of 35 easily debunkable reasons why Andy Schlafly thinks Einstein is a fraud.From 'Counterexamples to Relativity' footnotes.

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Virtually no one who is taught and believes Relativity continues to read the Bible, a book that outsells New York Times bestsellers by a hundred-fold.

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Conservapedia is truly nutball central. They truly want the USA to become a third world nation. These people want the world to become a feudal theocracy. The funny thing is that they all beleive that they are going to be on the top. The don't realize that if it happened they would probably be one of the lowly serfs, just like 99% of the population.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

Both the clocks (indeed any caesium clocks) are equally accurate and operate at the 9,192,631,770 Hz frequency. Yet observed from my vantage point in Madrid none of these clocks are in Synch.ICANT - Why is that?