Has the bias made this forum essentially irrelevant?

And I am saying that people who say dumb shit should be told as such, regardless of their theological position. Just because they are religious doesn't mean they "deserve respect".I am not saying that sarcasm and ridicule should be the first tactic, but when said individual insists their dumbassery is correct even after being shown the error of their thought process, then yes, ridicule them. You act as though there haven't been countless posts where members have tried to remain calm with the posters in question.I must repeat: I am not inferencing the theological position that should warrant the ridicule. We all know how idiotic creationism is. COming to this site, we accept that people will believe that crap. What I AM saying is that, regardless of belief, you should be chastized and mocked for saying asinine shit.

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"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

But this is exactly what I mean. It does beg the question which is why would you even bother to interact with people that you seem to hold in such disdain. Why not just ignore them?

Because their posts need to be countered.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

HI GDR, When they get their paws off the schools, I'll ignore them. However, for as long as creationists seek to interfere with science education, they need to be persuaded away from creationism, or failing that, opposed.Some creationists, the ones with whom one stands a chance of having a reasonable conversation, I seek to persuade. Others though - and there are a couple on this thread - they are beyond reaching.Mutate and Survive

I'm saying the same thing over and over. I agree that their posts should be countered. All I'm saying is that they should be countered respectfully and I am trying to give the answer to the problem that was presented in the OP, which is the fact that there are few creationists left on this site.For that matter, I can go back and find all sorts of threads where there were absolutely zero posts by creationists, but where there were several posts in a row that gratuitously ridiculed creationists. What is the point of that?

From a creationists point of view I suppose they think it is important to reach you for your own good. He/she may believe that your eternal life is in the balance. Everyone believes that their point of view is important.I'm a Christian and I believe like jar, (although there are a number of other differences between my beliefs and his as I understand his position), that creationists have an incorrect understanding of the scriptures. I think that their beliefs are actually in many cases counter-productive to the work that the church has been given to do.It is my subjective view that there is value in bringing them to my point of view. In fact, I think that it is important enough to try and understand their POV and then respectfully show them where I think they are in error and where I might have a better answer. I have no doubt that if I were to resort to name calling, sarcasm or ridicule of them or their position, although it might give me personal satisfaction, I would have no chance of actually making any headway with them.

I do not believe I have ever ridiculed a creationist; only Creationism and Intelligent Design.Those two subjects deserve ridicule.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

This thread is about the lack of creationist posters here. I was giving my reasons why I believe that is. There's no need for you to be angry. You didn't read what I wrote. Let's try it again;

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creationists are often confident enough in themselves to work alone.

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There's no "detest" in what I wrote in this particular thread. Two weeks ago, did you notice in my message 77 of this thread that you participated in where I asked dwise1 for a one on one, and he refused? Please try to keep up.

Jar wrote on this thread:

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That is about as dumb a post as you have made yet, and you've made many a dumb post.

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Now if you want to make the point that you are not ridiculing the poster but only the post fine. Others can make up their own mind about that.However I go back to what I keep saying over and over, that if you want to keep creationists on this site their views must be at least be seen to being treated with respect. And again IMHO, if you want to actually convince them that you have a POV worth considering, you would be more effective using less disdainful language.

Ah, i saw where bullet proof clothing was being made with an energy absorbing property. The man who owned the shop demonstrated its effectiveness by being shot. Pretty neat stuff (and very light).But anyways; on topic:I don't think the bias has made this forum irrelevant. I do believe that discussion should traverse beyond conventional ideas of ID and other creation beliefs.It’s more beneficial to promote education of the misinformed instead of dog piling them. And more beneficial for a scientist to admit the limits of their knowledge than to arrogantly assume todays science proves anything when it comes to whether or not God exists in any form. Much less: attack a specific belief without any real evidence.
I don’t know any human being that does not hold some belief they can’t prove, they simply choose to believe what they believe. Many people also trust their wives. Can they prove their wives are trustworthy? Well nowthat wouldn’t be trust if you could.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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Curious. Did you happen to search through your posts. Lets see how many you can find without, insults, sarcasm, rudeness or depravation.You and Dr InAdequate must have went to the same school of polemics. you know the one that teaches, if you cant answer questions, you blind and distract them with wit, sarcasm and insults. Then hope that no will notice you didnt actually respond to questions or argumentsI believe in debate thats called a smokescreen. You passed, you passedJust tell me plainly Panda, theres someone else, isnt there. we have to be honest with eachother if our relationship is going to work

Dog piling is not a tactic. It's the result of lots of people responding independently. I think most of the debates in the science forums are between people who think they can prove something. Further, it is the rare poster who believes that science can prove that God does not exist.

You see GDR, what you see above is a psychological and ego problem. No matter the question at hand, he has to be right, irregardless and especially if someone strongly disagreesHooah list three things of a religious or philosophical nature you have been convinced wrong about with you opposition here?Dawn Bertot

Curious. Did you happen to notice that you lied about the level of insults in your own posts? I guess your god loves it when you lie.
And your response appears to be a smokescreen (see below). It is obvious that if you can't answer questions, you try to blind and distract us with wit, sarcasm and insults. You then hope that no-one will notice that you didn't actually respond to any questions or arguments. Correct. That is exactly what you do. I see that you added extra patronisation.Anyway - back to what you should have responded to:
The majority of your posts contain insults and abuse.
Your god must be proud of you.Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

Then you will never have a valid conversation with a true IDst or creationist, atleast one that understands the fundamentals of reason and argumentationYour assumption is that ID and creationism are tied unequevocally to religion and or the supernatural, they are not.The simplest way to demonstrate that you have no clue between the distinction you make above, is to ask the very simple question, what prevents anything that evolved, from being designed or created to evolve, hence created in the first placeSince, you clearly do not even understand that simple distinction, it should be obvious to the casual observer, that you do not understand what ID and creationism are actually. What they are in there true fundamental and logical formOnce again and like so many here, your problem is with religion, not ID or CreationismDawn Bertot