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Author Topic:   Has the bias made this forum essentially irrelevant?
NoNukes
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Message 16 of 355 (617075)
05-25-2011 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Panda
05-25-2011 5:45 PM


Bolder-dash may be right...
Panda writes:
Bolder-dash writes:
Is there anything left?
12 responses in a little over 1 hour.
It would appear that the answer to your question is 'Yes'.
I would suggest that the responses show quite the opposite. Twelve quick response to this nothing of a topic shows that we're starving for some real debate.

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NoNukes
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Message 22 of 355 (617085)
05-25-2011 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Panda
05-25-2011 6:44 PM


Re: Bolder-dash may be right...
Panda writes:
But you are currently involved in a debate with ICANT, yes?
Sigh. Yes...
Or can you name a forum that satisfies your debating needs?
I don't know if I have debating needs, and I'm not complaining about the forum. I'm just saying that perhaps a large number of posts responding to what appears to be stinky troll bait might indicate something negative. I believe that Bolder-dash is simply ramping up to yet another suspension.
Anyway, if we feel that the discussions are lacking then the onus is on us to make it better - not the moderators.
I suppose I could pretend to be a creationist.
BD's patently false assertion that "all of the dissenting voices have pretty much disappeared" is mainly caused by his on-going sulk since being told-off for poor forum behaviour.
And even if all the dissenting voices did leave, then there is no reason to blame the moderators.
The fact that his post was promoted shows how ironic (and wrong) his OP is.
Not disagreeing with any of that.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 23 of 355 (617086)
05-25-2011 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by NoNukes
05-25-2011 7:24 PM


Re: Bolder-dash may be right...
duplicate removed
Edited by NoNukes, : Gotta stop responding to myself

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NoNukes
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Message 72 of 355 (617512)
05-29-2011 3:24 PM


Yet another opinion
I think moderation policy does play a role in the diminished participation of creationists.
The problem, as I see it, is that the requirement for scientific evidence based discussion greatly disadvantages creationists and ID proponents. What's really required to participate in a debate here is adequate knowledge of both evolution and whatever creationist or ID proponent viewpoint is under discussion.
There are actual scientists posting here, but there seem to be very few (probably zero) participants on either side who know ID or creationism any better than any lay person.
It's just far more difficult to find a minimally equipped ID proponent that it is to find an adequately equipped ID opponent. I won't deny that some anti-ID/creationist posters employ dog-piling, bad logic, and straw man attacks. But creationists don't seem to do much better in Great Debates where they get to agree on a single opponent. Creationists don't seem to do any better in threads where they propose the agenda.
My impression is that the typical ID proponent posting here knows very little about ID at all, and even less about evolution, cosmology, the scientific method, or any other relevant scientific topic. I'm not sure there is even a single exception. Often discussions don't go very far before before the ID proponent says something so fundamentally wrong, that even the non-scientists can see the error. When the ID proponent starts a topic, usually a blatant error is in the original post. Then the dog-piling starts.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

NoNukes
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Message 102 of 355 (617573)
05-29-2011 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by tesla
05-29-2011 7:26 PM


tesla writes:
It’s more beneficial to promote education of the misinformed instead of dog piling them. And more beneficial for a scientist to admit the limits of their knowledge than to arrogantly assume todays science proves anything when it comes to whether or not God exists in any form. Much less: attack a specific belief without any real evidence.
Dog piling is not a tactic. It's the result of lots of people responding independently.
I don’t know any human being that does not hold some belief they can’t prove, they simply choose to believe what they believe.
I think most of the debates in the science forums are between people who think they can prove something. Further, it is the rare poster who believes that science can prove that God does not exist.

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NoNukes
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Message 134 of 355 (617654)
05-30-2011 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Buzsaw
05-30-2011 10:52 AM


Re: Diminished Creationist Participation
Buzsaw writes:
IMO, when it comes to the Biblical record and the Exodus thread, your bias as to what constitutes evidence was telling. At least 20 times you moderated me, all the while arguing your position as both moderator and member.
There is definitely a disconnect between how you view your attempts to provide evidence and how others view them. When I read your messages and moderator reaction to them, it seems to me that you are being coddled when you should just be suspended/banned.
I agree that you are being micromanaged to a degree that anyone would find oppressive. You should instead be told to either follow the forum rules or to stay out of the science forum.
I don't see the particular problems you have in the Exodus threads occurring with any other regular poster. I think the problem is that your particular method of supporting your position is incompatible with the science forums.
You do have an incredibly thick skin and a strong chin to boot.

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NoNukes
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Message 283 of 355 (618071)
06-01-2011 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Percy
06-01-2011 7:43 AM


Re: Ok, I'll give my opinion ...
Percy writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Bolder-dash was determined to leave EvC before this thread. Thus his inhibition to tone it down.
That could be true. Maybe this is his "Let's trash the place and split" tour.
--Percy
His recent posts remind me of the last few messages from Archy-426.
I'll note that Bolder uses a completely different tone and approach when discussing topics unrelated to evolution.

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