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Author Topic:   New theory about evolution between creationism and evolution.
Larni
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Message 255 of 433 (626330)
07-28-2011 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by zi ko
07-28-2011 11:38 AM


Re: "Theory" in Science
What do you mean? Do i have to support the relation of my ideas with the theory of Shapiro ect?
Of course you have to!
Otherwise you could link to a YouTube clip of the magic fucking roundabout and proudly proclaim to have evidence for your idea.

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Larni
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Message 260 of 433 (626461)
07-29-2011 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by zi ko
07-29-2011 11:52 AM


Re: "Theory" in Science
Oh for fuck sake!
This will be the third time, you know?
The environment affects evolution via the filter of NS. What has that got to do with you 'idea'?

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Larni
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Message 267 of 433 (626580)
07-30-2011 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by zi ko
07-30-2011 12:53 AM


Re: DOUPTING IS THE BEAUTY OF SCIENCE
Not all opinions are equal.
Yours about empathy, for example are of no more value than my own on quantum physics.
As in, I fined the subject fascinating and know a lot of what the words mean, but for me to expect a cosmologist to give any credence to my opinion that dose'nt have any plausibility at all would be foolish and arrogant, in the extreme.

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Larni
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Message 270 of 433 (626599)
07-30-2011 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by zi ko
07-30-2011 10:00 AM


Re: Empathy is a type of information
If this is the case and empathy, among others, but mainly transfers stress related information, is it impropable to infer the importance of it to evolution?
God forgive me but I can see where you are coming from. What you seem to be saying is that when an organism in under a selective pressure there is a 'change' in the 'rate' of evolution and another organism can acquire a like 'change' through some information channel that you are calling empathy.
Am I right?

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Larni
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Message 271 of 433 (626601)
07-30-2011 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by zi ko
07-30-2011 10:08 AM


NOT DOUPTING IS THE BEAUTY OF SCIENCE
Who ever said that animals can't feel empathy?
Empathy exist, any psychologist or therapist knows that (I could not do my job without it): but the ability of empathy to affect the genome is unsupported by the evidence.
As you well know.
You keep telling me about empathy but it is clear you don't actually understand what you are quoting.
There used to be a theory called 'unconscious transmission'. When I was an undergrad in mid 90's one of my professors still believed in it.
The idea was that the mother and foetus would communicate on an unconscious level.
But (and here is where we find congruence with your story) no matter how heartfelt my professor was in his belief in 'unconscious transmission' the theory has been abandoned by academia because there never was any evidence to support the idea.
It was an idea that a lot of people held to because they liked the sound of it.
That is what is happening here: you like the sound of empathy being involved in evolution. But you idea is no different from 'unconscious transmission'.
If this is the case and empathy, among others, but mainly transfers stress related information,
There no valence attached to empathy. This is what makes me question whether you really know what you are talking about.
Edited by Larni, : Last quote

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Larni
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Message 273 of 433 (626797)
07-31-2011 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by zi ko
07-31-2011 11:09 AM


Re: Empathy is a type of information
There is no evidence of any 'effect', though is there?

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Larni
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Message 276 of 433 (626819)
07-31-2011 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by zi ko
07-31-2011 11:30 AM


Re: NOT DOUPTING IS THE BEAUTY OF SCIENCE
I don't talk about subconcious transmission. But babies communicate with mother from one year of age (wikipedia)
I was using UT as an example of an idea someone had that had no evidence to support it and was thus not accepted by science.
it can succesfully affect genome.
But it does not effect the genome. The environment does (via NS) but empathy does not.
As there no for many concepts in science (f.e about randoness in mutations).
I'm not clear on what you are saying. Please try to spell words correctly and to put them in the right order.
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.
Edited by Larni, : clarity

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Larni
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Message 278 of 433 (626968)
08-01-2011 3:44 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by zi ko
08-01-2011 12:15 AM


Re: Re DOUPTING IS THE BEAUTY OF SCIENCE
But there is evidence for randomness in mutations.
Please show any directed mutions you have evidence of.
And a little tip: you keep writing (f.e.) and then stating an example. You should write (e.g). Hope that helps.
Edited by Larni, : E.g.

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Larni
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Message 282 of 433 (627234)
08-01-2011 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Wounded King
08-01-2011 1:03 PM


Re: Empathy is a type of information
WK writes:
If you think that the article you cited actually has anything relevant to your claims then maybe you could highlight what it was,
This is exactly what I asked zi ko, up tread.
The response?
zi ko writes:
What do you mean? Do i have to support the relation of my ideas with the theory of Shapiro ect?
Can you believe it?

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Larni
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Message 293 of 433 (627371)
08-02-2011 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by zi ko
08-02-2011 8:19 AM


Re: Empathy is a type of information
Certainly not... Only that it can't be evidenced.
We've been trolled. It's the only explanation.

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Larni
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Message 297 of 433 (627431)
08-02-2011 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Panda
08-02-2011 10:09 AM


Re: Empathy is a type of information
Ha ha!
LMAO!

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Larni
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Message 311 of 433 (627898)
08-05-2011 4:10 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by zi ko
08-04-2011 11:42 AM


Re: Empathy is a type of information
Empathy is type of information, so by inference it can affect genome. Do i have to prove it again?
The thing is zi ko that you have not proved that empathy has any effect on the genome. You have referred to Shapiro et al several times and appealed to the authority of wiki and posted them on this site but none of that supports you point.
You even ask in apparent confusion why what you post should have any connection with you ideas.
Think about that for a second, would you? You are asking us why Shapiro and wiki (which you are so fond of posting) needs to have any connection with your ideas.
Does this make sense, to you?

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Larni
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Message 316 of 433 (628098)
08-06-2011 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by zi ko
08-06-2011 1:28 AM


Re: Re:Could Empathy as a type of information affect genome?
I really don't understand how you think that having to support your ideas with evidence and/or reasoned arguements is in any way strange.
Because you must, to post the posts that you do.

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Larni
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Message 325 of 433 (628756)
08-12-2011 2:38 PM


Must...not.....be.....drawn.....in.......

  
Larni
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Message 327 of 433 (628884)
08-13-2011 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 326 by zi ko
08-13-2011 3:30 PM


Re: So not all information is sufficient, how do we tell?
Empathy is advantageous for social creatures. It is advantageous because it lets social creatures engage in more complex behaviour than colonial creatures.
That is all.
There, I said it.

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