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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
2006 was when this thread was Created, So im not sure Stumpy is still here...
Stumpy writes: Let's say for the sake of argument, Evidence is found that proves Darwin wrong. Darwin or the TOE? I think science has moved way past Darwin. One thing that was a problem was the fossil record.(according to Stephen J gould). Enter, Punctuated equilibrium. It's SUCH a stretch to consider it, as much as it is for the world to be repopulated by Noah and his family that Evolutionist disagree with BUT PE is OK apperantly but not Noah.
How do you know that the Biblical account of creation is the true story, and not the accounts told by the Shinto and Hindus (Both of which are living faiths) for example? From wiki:
The Rig Veda, the oldest scripture and the mainstay of Hindu philosophy does not take a restrictive view on the fundamental question of God and the creation of universe. It rather lets the individual seek and discover answers in the quest of life. Nasadiya Sukta (Creation Hymn) of the Rig Veda thus says[71][72]: It looks like Hinduism is in the business of brokering deals for religion. Why do you think Hinduism rivals christianity when it says " find your own way". What if that way is Christianity? That's not religion that's a brokerage firm.
Citing the Bible is really invalidated by the other sagas (The Bible by itself is no more valid the others). LOL. Than other what? How in the hell do you know it's no more valid than "others"? Have you done what the Bible instructs us to do to find out???
What empirical evidence is there that proves the biblical creation story true and/or the other stories false. From Genesis chapter 1
11 Then God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. 24 Then God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. The Bible which you say is not "valid" seems spot on to me. How bout you? Do you see pear trees producing apple trees?
P.S. Flood stories are common many cultures. Any why do you think that is? Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
I don't follow? You just lumped my entire post all into one big bowl of Gumbo and said I dont understand NS?
Im not comparing NS or PE to pear trees or apple trees.
In neither would pear trees produce apple trees, that is just as ridiculous as the crocoduck. Oh good, then you agree the Bible correctly predicts that kinds produce like kinds BUT you think evolution doesnt? Which is it?
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Before you start being wrong about Stephen Jay Gould and punctuated equilibrium, a search of these forums might be useful. Dr A, im not saying he is wrong. My point was that Science has moved past Darwin. As things prorress it doesn't mean the Bible is invalidated by progressions in Science, does it?
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Unfortunately just because I don't see pear trees producing apple trees, that doesn't make the Biblical creation story more valid than any other creation story. Each will have something we see today. Well, im not interested in every Creation story, just one. And because it's right doesnt mean it's any LESS valid than the rest either. Truth is not relative, one has to be absolutly right. BTW, most creation stories steal from the bible.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Please show which of those steal from the bible. I havn't read them all. Im talking about the most common ones like Islam, mormons, seventh day, jehovah witnesses etc... Of course all the ones in the article I never even heard of. Have you? Do you ever use them to dispute the Bible? No you don't. The one's I said above are often used as being in the same faith as christianity, which they are not. That's my point. I can't know every Creation myth, there so many.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
purpledawn writes: Then what was your point in posting in this thread? Well, here is what I saw the OP saying when I posted:
Why prefer the Biblical creation account over those of other religions? Do I need to address every Creation myth? Or some of the more relevant religions?
The point is what makes the Biblical account of creation the true story over others? Well, I know first hand it's true from my own experience. I can offer my testiomonies and God working in my own life. Since the OP says you cannot use the Bible it's a bit restricted as our faith is based on what the Bible says.
The OP isn't talking about the religions that evolved from Judaism. The Shinto and Hindus are two examples given. Well, I just went with what the OP actually said and cited hindu which it said and religions. Are we now addressing all the Creation myths you linked from wiki?
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
So you did not read the link PD supplied? I glanced at it yes. Do I have to address everyone? The OP is talking about religions (i.e hinduism etc.) not what the bushman in the congo believe. Isnt that moving the goalposts so to speak? Am I allowed to say that or only you at your convienince? My first comment to this thread was addressing the OP and certain religions like hinduism and I did, not the 900 beliefs in the wiki article. Pay attention.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Are there any surviving Sumerians or Dynastic Egyptians? No. How about the hebrew nation? Yes.
Where are you getting all this info from? The reliability of the Hebrew manuscripts is not in question here and common stories simply add to the reliability of the scriptures. Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
So you are not going to address the meat of my post at all? I said i looked at it didn't I? Would you like me to go over ALL the creation myths?
You are still standing by this comment? About most religions yes. All the crazy Creation myths im not concerned about but apperantly you are. If you would like to debate i would like that. If you are just trying to say AH HA!! every time you comment you got me. You win. I recant my miswording about all Creation myths stealing from the Bible. I should have said most relevant religions sprinkle a little "truth" in their doctrines that come from the Bible.
Now you throw in hinduism. Does hinduism steal its creation acount from the bible? If so, please show. Did you READ my comment about hinduism? That is how i feel about it. Ok? Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Hi Dr.
how is the worship of Kaang not a religion? It's a religion, apperantly.
he's done all the usual god stuff --- created the world, wiki:
He is regarded as the god of natural phenomena, present in all things, but especially the mantis and caterpillar. Well, The God of the Bible says He Created the mantis and caterpillar. Why is this guy/god taking credit? wiki:
Kaang has many myths attached to him and could be considered an epic hero. In one myth, he was eaten by an ogre, who then vomited him back up. In another, he was killed by thorns and his boned picked clean by ants, but Kaang reassembled his skeleton and rose again Well, it seems a little silly. We do have a "rose again" reference here tho. On the other hand we have God who Created all things. Man sinned, He sent a savoir to live the perfect life we couldn't that a perfect God demands and if we receive his sacrafice for our sins we are forgiven and back in right standing with our loving Creator. Even if I wasn't a Christian I would give more validity to the latter, but that is just me. There is a lot more evidence that Jesus rose from the dead than kaang who was vomited up by a ogre.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
purpledawn writes: As I said before, the originator is looking for evidence all can see and examine. Ok, well I choose to believe the perfect star that is our sun was designed by God and not boomed into existance by happenstance. It's evidence for me to use, im using it.
What testimonies do you have concerning the creation story? My lord and savior Created all things: It is my confidence that Jesus is the one holding everything together even the Universe:
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (KJV) Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.(NIV) The nucleus of the atom contains positively-charged and neutral particles--to use a simplistic model. Mutual electrostatic repulsion between the like-positive protons would drive the nucleus apart if it were not for the "strong force" which binds the nucleus together Jesus is that "strong force" IMO.
"But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise and the elements (atoms) will be dissolved with fire and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up." (2 Peter 3:10) It's a good theory isn't it?
The Greek word translated "elements" in this passage from Colossians is stoicheion which means the building blocks of the universe, or "the ordered arrangement of things." It can also mean the "atomic elements." The word translated "dissolved" is literally (in Greek) luo, meaning "unloosed." This suggests a further, future letting-go of the nuclear binding force that holds the nucleus together. This passage strongly suggests that the active power of God is behind the mysterious strong force that holds every atomic nucleus together. If this is so, all the other fundamental forces of nature are likewise forces that originate with Christ and His sustaining direction of the old creation Reference: http://www.ldolphin.org/cohere.shtml
purpledawn writes: Your own experiences aren't evidence that anyone else can experience. God works in the lives of many Christians, but they don't all consider the creation stories to be factual. It doesn't make the Bible or Creation a myth if some christians dont believe it.
We are trying to address why the Judeo/Christian creation stories are considered true, but other creation stories are false. I can't address every one. How about you provide a Creation myth and we'll go over them one at a time.
We already know you prefer it because it is part of your religion, but so far, you haven't shown me why I should consider your creation story any more true than any other creation story There is some faith involved too. I know it's not good for debate but it's true. Faith in believing what the Bible says is important. If you or anyone chooses not to believe it I can't convince you or anyone.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Most religions do not steal from Christianity.
When I said most I should have said what I was thinking which was mormons, latter day saints, Jehovah witnesses , seventh day adventist etc. The religions that claim they are a sect of christianity or Jesus is mentioned as just a prophet and so on. they omit a lot of what the Bible teaches and even change what it says. All the Creation myths im not aware of. Sorry. For stories like Mithraism and such I believe a lot of misinformation is out there concerning these stories that are meant to make christianity look bad. As far as the Creation story of the Bible being true over other ones: I believe exactly what the Bible says. There is alot of information out there to weed thru and that's what im doing. Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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