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Jon Inactive Member
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Any right-to-vote test is a moral abomination and has no place in a free democracy.
Anyone thinking otherwise needs to get their head out of the clouds that are in their ass. JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Anyone who wanted to vote has the option of learning this stuff. Anyone who can't be bothered probably didn't feel that strongly about voting in the first place. People who vote don't vote because they feel strongly about voting, they vote because they feel strongly about the issue they are voting on. Jon Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member
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Uneducated people shouldn't vote. They are easily swayed by campaign ads and news infotainment propaganda. They are also easily swayed by other silly things, like the desire to vote for policies that provide for their education. Damn illiterates. Only ever looking out for themselves... JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Suppose you're worried about the garbage dump in your back yard, and you want to vote for a mayoral candidate who's against it. Someone says: "But before we let you vote for a mayor, you've got to know whether the mayor of this town is subject to term limits". If you decide that you can't be bothered to learn that in order to be qualified to vote, how much did you care in the first place? The obvious answer is that I cared immensely, but the city knew that me and my neighbors, poor Spanish-speaking manual laborers that we are, don't have the time or resources enough to learn such and such arbitrary fact about Joe Dickhead and his opponent Jim Blowjob running for mayor or the office that they're running for and so figured setting up a city dump in our backyard would be ideal as we'd be unable to pass the medieval torture tests required to vote against the policy and they wouldn't have to worry about our opposition... or all the cancer our children would be getting. JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Whereas there is at least something to be said for the idea that people should have some basic idea of how democracy works before we let them join in. But they already know everything there is to know about how democracy works, which is that they have an opinion and they can voice it through voting. The rest is all arbitrary icing and sprinkles. And not particularly tasty stuff either. JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
I don't even understand what you're getting at with this.
I think Jos is entirely aware that he is going into the booth for the sole purpose of voting against the placement of a city landfill behind his house. JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Anyone who proclaims that is impossible is a pompous ass. Guilty. But what I've said still stands. Your requirement that people demonstrate a certain standard of intelligence before being allowed to participate in their government has no place in a free democracy. JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Yes, but the wording of referenda can be, and often are, misleading, Isn't that a problem with the language on the ballot? JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member
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First of all, we are not a free democracy. We are a republic, ... quote: Even an indirect democracy can be a free one.
In order to change the system, the voters must be educated. Couldn't agree with you more. JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
We're not going to wheelchair vegetables into the booth to push a random button. And that is our loss as a society.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Clarifying the language on the ballot for one person may make it more obtuse to someone else. Not really. But if the language on the ballot is really going to be a problem, the polling place can simply provide free interpreters. JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
... but we can get rid of uninformed voters. But Jos's not an uninformed voter. He knows the city wants to put a dump behind his house. He knows that he does not want this to happen. He knows there will be a vote taken. He knows where the voting will be held and for how long the polls will be open. He's even brought the proper paperwork with him for registering. Jos is as informed as he needs to be to vote on the issue in question. Now, granted, he may not be as informed as you want him to be, but why the hell should Jos have to jump through hoops just to soothe your ruptured ass? JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
We're not going to wheelchair vegetables into the booth to push a random button.
And that is our loss as a society. It's just one more voice lost.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Wouldn't it be a shame if he voted incorrectly because the question was worded imperfectly, or referenced something he wasn't sure of? You mean, wouldn't it be a shame if there was some completely preventable error (ass shit language on a ballot) that resulted in Jos voting for the wrong thing? Yeah... I think it would. Which is why I'm all for making the language on the ballots less ass-shit-ish.
And this is all a rather simplified scenario. In the case of voting for a candidate, with all the confusion and inconsistency that a human being entails, it would be nice if Jose decides not to vote for a candidate who wants to do-away with the referendum policy that allows Jose to decide where a dump goes, simply because he's unaware that the candidate has proposed to do so in a single town-hall meeting on the other side of town, but not in the town-hall meeting on Jose's side of town, which he went to as a dutiful and fully informed citizen. Yup, democracy is an imperfect system. But that doesn't mean we need to help it along in that regard by restricting the rights of citizens to participate. JonLove your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
If the language on the ballot is difficult to understand, then the language needs to be reworked so that it is easier to understand.
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